Meanwhile on RS they're killin bear, deer, elk , and moose with .223 and 77gr TMK.

[436]

I was pretty impressed with how high the Berger lifted that 5 gallon jug of water off the ground.

Go back and check out the first video he did where 77gr destroys the jug, still has me scratching my head. Cheers

 

[xsn10s]

It's hard to say because there's several unknown variable. How well was the jug sealed? How consistent was the construction of the water jugs, and so on. As far as the 77 gr OTM it's impact velocity was 2249 fps as compared to the 168 gr 1894 fps. So I imagine the 77 gr OTM expanded much earlier than the 168 gr causing more energy to be transferred while inside the jug.

 

[memtb]

It's hard to say because there's several unknown variable. How well was the jug sealed? How consistent was the construction of the water jugs, and so on. As far as the 77 gr OTM it's impact velocity was 2249 fps as compared to the 168 gr 1894 fps. So I imagine the 77 gr OTM expanded much earlier than the 168 gr causing more energy to be transferred while inside the jug.

I was gonna say something along those lines, but decided to stay out of it….until now!

What you said plus, using a very fragile (yes they exist) .308 bullet with impact speed similar to the .223 bullet!

I suspect that the "visual effects" would have been a bit more spectacular! memtb

 

[436]

It's hard to say because there's several unknown variable. How well was the jug sealed? How consistent was the construction of the water jugs, and so on. As far as the 77 gr OTM it's impact velocity was 2249 fps as compared to the 168 gr 1894 fps. So I imagine the 77 gr OTM expanded much earlier than the 168 gr causing more energy to be transferred while inside the jug.

2249 fps? well, that kind of sounds right... it had to be doing better than I would have thought to do that kind of damage, I'm talking about the first video of the attacking jugs, yeah... I agree with you on several unknown variables, but blowing that jug up in the first attempt (video) at 300 yards? Something just doesn't seem right. The 77gr OTM is a great performer from 16" rifles, but... not that good, what gives?? Cheers

 

[436]

It's hard to say because there's several unknown variable. How well was the jug sealed? How consistent was the construction of the water jugs, and so on. As far as the 77 gr OTM it's impact velocity was 2249 fps as compared to the 168 gr 1894 fps. So I imagine the 77 gr OTM expanded much earlier than the 168 gr causing more energy to be transferred while inside the jug.

Side note; I would have thought the Ferdal Gold 168gr Mk would come across the 300-yard mark at around 2100 fps I think he was shooting from a 24-inch bolt gun. Not a big difference I would agree. As always I'm talking about his first attempt in the video, between the 77gr OTM, 147gr Ball, and the 168gr Match Cheers

 

[Darryle]

Side note; I would have thought the Ferdal Gold 168gr Mk would come across the 300-yard mark at around 2100 fps I think he was shooting from a 24-inch bolt gun. Not a big difference I would agree. As always I'm talking about his first attempt in the video, between the 77gr OTM, 147gr Ball, and the 168gr Match Cheers

If you are talking about the videos, but believe he said Ruger 16" SFAR , the 5.56 was a 20" AR

 

[436]

If you are talking about the videos, but believe he said Ruger 16" SFAR , the 5.56 was a 20" AR

Thanks, I was talking about the first one not his second, did you see both videos? Cheers

 

[Darryle]

Thanks, I was talking about the first one not his second, did you see both videos? Cheers

Sorry, haven't watched the second one yet, trying to finish a podcast

Top one is the one I have watched

 

[Darryle]

Correction, 18" 5.56 AR

 

[436]

Sorry, haven't watched the second one yet, trying to finish a podcast

Top one is the one I have watched

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I understand... Cheers

 

[xsn10s]

Need to have the same impact velocities to do a comparison.

 

[xsn10s]

Side note; I would have thought the Ferdal Gold 168gr Mk would come across the 300-yard mark at around 2100 fps I think he was shooting from a 24-inch bolt gun. Not a big difference I would agree. As always I'm talking about his first attempt in the video, between the 77gr OTM, 147gr Ball, and the 168gr Match Cheers

In the second video I believe he said his impact velocity for the 168 gr was 2049 fps. If it was from my 24" PSS the impact should be 2158 fps at sea level. So I believe his numbers are way off. Especially his 77 gr OTM velocity since he claims a MV of 2913 fps at the 4 minute mark of the first video. Sig's published velocity for that ammo is 2750 fps.

 

[xsn10s]

Moose with 88 ELDM out of a .223 AI. http://www.asrealasitgets.net/forum...ing-for-a-stunt-shooter-support-group….13328/

 

[436]

In the second video I believe he said his impact velocity for the 168 gr was 2049 fps. If it was from my 24" PSS the impact should be 2158 fps at sea level. So I believe his numbers are way off. Especially his 77 gr OTM velocity since he claims a MV of 2913 fps at the 4 minute mark of the first video. Sig's published velocity for that ammo is 2750 fps.

Yes, I agree... there seems to be a lot of confusion on his part. My clone 77gr OTM M-262 Mod 1 loads run at 2750 fps in my 16-inch AR. Cheers