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Knee pain options

Forgot to mention this in the earlier post. Look at a "Cryo-Cuff". Looks like a knee brace but is set up to circulate ice cold water from a cooler. Water circulates through the brace. I've used one after the last couple surgeries. It's an amazing device. In about 15 min. the knee is as cold as a quarter of elk that's been hanging in the cooler for a day. Takes away swelling and pain. The web site has "cuffs" for most parts of the body.
 
My two cents: If you were going to do ibuprofen do NOT drink alcohol with it.Check with an MD.

this is also true of most drugs-but some drugs are much worse when combined with alcohol.
 
Plenty of valid points. If you think you want to get back into running, try barefoot running or running with minimalist shoes . You will have to relearn to run using these. Your calves will hurt a lot at the beginning. But it should help with your knee pain.
 
Just a note on joint maintenance generally, it's useful to have chicken soup (made from a whole chicken, keeping all the fatty stuff which floats on top) or, take a spoonful of animal gelatin purchased from a health food store each day. The gelatin is promoted as an aid to gut health but it also lubricates all the joints. Some say you will never need a knee or hip replacement if you do this. The natural anti-inflammatories such as glucosamine and turmeric are also beneficial in other ways as well.
 
Went through almost your exact same scenario before my elk hunt this year. Been athletic and in physically demanding environments all of my adult life. As age and wear continue to add up, my right knee went into full protest mode about 2 months before my hunt.
Went to my ortho and he did an X-ray that showed no damage but significant wear and scar tissue (had surgery on same knee in my 20's). Told him I didn't have time or copay money for the BS physical therapy. He's a cool Doc and understood, he gave me a prescription for anti-inflammatories and advised to substitute running for some other form of cardio.
I switched to a recumbent bike and along with the medicine, my knee started feeling a ton better. Went on my elk hunt and killed a great bull that required one hell of a pack out all by foot. My guide and I were joking at every break because HE was the one who had to stop and rest!:D
 
You need a specialist to confirm if the knees are damaged or not. Then go for a second opinion.

There is no exercise to fix damaged knees.

You mention gym in earlier years. The best way to damage knees in the gym is to incline leg press with heavy weight, with the feet in the wrong position which results in a torsion stress in the knee joints.
 
My xrays did not show squat either and the pain did not stop, the MRI showed I needed total replacement. Hope you can avoid that. Find out what it really is first, then plan accordingly.
MRI is your only option. Get an orthopedist at your trust that other people recommend follow what he feels. Tell him what you're wanting to do you could do chicken fat and extend it out for several months.
 
When i can stay on an exercise regimen I seize up quite quickly.....this is my best friend when that happens....i take it with me on road trips or hunting trips.....doesnt smell too bad...but boy does it feel cold when I spray it on...... 1203190751.jpg
 
Just my .02, But you may want to try the CBD oil.
I have friends with lots pain from being older, medical reasons and needing this or that and have found some relief from CBD oil.
It sounded crazy to me but they swear by the stuff for relief from the pain they suffer. Never hurts to try!!
 
Hi, I study bio-mechanics and more specifically how different activities cause loading of soft tissue structures in the knee. What this means is that I look at how tension in the knee ligaments and tendons predisposes a person to knee injury.
Very commonly people with non specific knee pain without an observable origin (i.e. you don't have observable disrupted/torn ligament or tendon fibers, a degenerative cartilage surface, or bone fracture or osteoid growing in your articular space) are suffering from structural strain and impingement that predisposes the them for "blowouts" like acl/mcl tears in the future.

Your pain is real and is commonly caused by one or more of the following things most of the time: improper muscle compartment balance (i.e. your quads and hamstrings are unequally trained), poor neuromuscular control (your body does not smoothly activate the muscle groups sequentially), or you have preliminary inflammation that is effecting your neuromuscular control through guarding reflexes. This is all very fixable with PT, REST, modification of exercise programs and GENTLE USE OF ANTIINFLAMMATORIES. GENTLE because many of my hunting compatriots like to use ibuprofen, tylenol, and naproxen like skittles which can actually harm your ligaments and tendons while they try to heal not to mention the nasty effects on the stomach, kidneys, and liver.

The big thing I see in a lot of these posts is people over training and doing things that are causing a lot of load on their knees and other structures. They also tend to do them repetitively in a last hurrah trying to get ready for the season. They then expect their knees/back/ankles to feel great the day after. Your body is very tough and very good at healing but if you climb 100 flights of stairs with a 100 pounds on your back, do wind sprints with a rock over your head, and jump off your roof, every other day it just can't keep up. It is always a good idea to incorporate non load bearing cardio into your training to offset big days of rucking, running, or lifting; i really like cycling, rowing, and swimming because the work a lot of different muscles in my body that are applicable to hunting and rucking but they don't beat the **** out of my body. It may not hit the same as your normal running or lifting routine but that's not the pount of doing those exercises; the point is active, healthy recovery. Also it is never a bad idea to do a PT eval; as you might just find out as I did (a trained phd with many years working in PT and orthopedics) that for example your quads are grossly over trained and tight which is why your knees hurt and why your pelvis is rotated which is why your back has a herniated disc which is why your legs are going numb when you pack an elk quarter out.
 
Hi, I study bio-mechanics and more specifically how different activities cause loading of soft tissue structures in the knee. What this means is that I look at how tension in the knee ligaments and tendons predisposes a person to knee injury.
Very commonly people with non specific knee pain without an observable origin (i.e. you don't have observable disrupted/torn ligament or tendon fibers, a degenerative cartilage surface, or bone fracture or osteoid growing in your articular space) are suffering from structural strain and impingement that predisposes the them for "blowouts" like acl/mcl tears in the future.

Your pain is real and is commonly caused by one or more of the following things most of the time: improper muscle compartment balance (i.e. your quads and hamstrings are unequally trained), poor neuromuscular control (your body does not smoothly activate the muscle groups sequentially), or you have preliminary inflammation that is effecting your neuromuscular control through guarding reflexes. This is all very fixable with PT, REST, modification of exercise programs and GENTLE USE OF ANTIINFLAMMATORIES. GENTLE because many of my hunting compatriots like to use ibuprofen, tylenol, and naproxen like skittles which can actually harm your ligaments and tendons while they try to heal not to mention the nasty effects on the stomach, kidneys, and liver.

The big thing I see in a lot of these posts is people over training and doing things that are causing a lot of load on their knees and other structures. They also tend to do them repetitively in a last hurrah trying to get ready for the season. They then expect their knees/back/ankles to feel great the day after. Your body is very tough and very good at healing but if you climb 100 flights of stairs with a 100 pounds on your back, do wind sprints with a rock over your head, and jump off your roof, every other day it just can't keep up. It is always a good idea to incorporate non load bearing cardio into your training to offset big days of rucking, running, or lifting; i really like cycling, rowing, and swimming because the work a lot of different muscles in my body that are applicable to hunting and rucking but they don't beat the **** out of my body. It may not hit the same as your normal running or lifting routine but that's not the pount of doing those exercises; the point is active, healthy recovery. Also it is never a bad idea to do a PT eval; as you might just find out as I did (a trained phd with many years working in PT and orthopedics) that for example your quads are grossly over trained and tight which is why your knees hurt and why your pelvis is rotated which is why your back has a herniated disc which is why your legs are going numb when you pack an elk quarter out.

Proper footwear helps also.
 
Well guess we all hunters are going to helll in a handbasket..🙊..just need to find a few people to carry us..🤔...well...maybe the left will help us pack out of the woods...since they don't want us in there anyways....🙊
Much easier going uphill than downhill....extra pressure from downhill travel compresses what's remaining of the meniscus....cure...find a less steep or extremely step slope off...🙈
 
A while back I was having pretty bad knee pain. I was pushing it too hard getting ready for a 25k. Went to the doctor. Take it easy for 2-3 weeks and start going to physical therapy. Did the therapy and it helped. They analyzed my running gait and determined that my pelvis was rotating too much, putting bad stress on my knees. The answer for that was core excercise. Doing sit ups and planks (stabilizing my pelvis) fixed my knee. Wild.
 
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