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kahles or tanget theta
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Oh, geez, you're right...how did NF make it into this conversation? My bad. I'll agree 100% then, not a chance Kahles (or NF) glass competes with TT. I do appreciate the LHW and top parallax on kahles, but no, it's not Alpha glass...TT and Premier are, ZCO gets rave reviews, but I've never been behind one. For their price point, if A glass is the goal, seems like ZCO is the clear
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This is true, when I look through kahles all I see is purple
One thing that blew up my skirt about tt (3-15h) was the brite sticker in large print that said "DO NOT EXCEED 15IN LB RING TORQUE". couldn't help but think to myself "I spent how much $ on a scope that obviously has issues with ring compression".
Elk Hunter 338
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lets just say they ( ZCO, SB, NF, kahles I actually own or have owned them all ) are just better for me from my experience!..
When I purchase an optic I expect it to live up to the price tag.. TT did not .. not even close.
are they good .. sure.. but not 4700 plus good. they should be in the 3800 maybe 4k range at most.
I want bank door tough.. optics are key of course but toughness and repeatability is where its at for me.. if it cant handle what i put it on then glass coated in gold wont make it better!!
I hunt with big lightweight 338's a lot!! TT wasn't up to the task!
Hey maybe they have improved them drastically they seem to be doing just fine..
For me once was enough and I'll run what I know works day in day out ..
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They also recommend lapping scope rings. I think it's a mixture of their informational materials being out of date coupled with over-torque being probably the biggest issue that scope manufacturers deal with from their customers. That said, lots of high quality scope rings recommend 15 in-lbs.
I also called Tangent and talked to them about their torque recommendation. It was a mind numbing discussion, and almost immediately they said it's not a big deal to use a higher torque.
lancetkenyon
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This is all I will say.
Here is a list of scopes I currently own.
5 @ TT315M
2 @ ZCO 420
1 @ Premier Heritage 5-25×56 (probably 10k rounds on it)
1 @ Premier Heritage Light Tactical 3-15x50 (over 15k rounds from .223 AR to .338 Edge, gets passed around like a 3rd string cheerleader w. Self-esteem issues)
1 @ S&B PMII 3-20×50 MTC/LT
1 @ S&B PMII 3-20×50 US
1 @ S&B PMII 5-20×50 US
1 @ Kahles K318i (only because it was $2k)
Here is a list of scopes I currently own.
5 @ TT315M
2 @ ZCO 420
1 @ Premier Heritage 5-25×56 (probably 10k rounds on it)
1 @ Premier Heritage Light Tactical 3-15x50 (over 15k rounds from .223 AR to .338 Edge, gets passed around like a 3rd string cheerleader w. Self-esteem issues)
1 @ S&B PMII 3-20×50 MTC/LT
1 @ S&B PMII 3-20×50 US
1 @ S&B PMII 5-20×50 US
1 @ Kahles K318i (only because it was $2k)
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7.62 Gunner
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You aren't the first person I've heard say this, I've read through a few tests where more than one TT had issues holding zero during hard use.
I don't have personal experience though so can't comment from that angle.
Elk Hunter 338
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like I said I don't want them to not succeed They are from what I can tell .. but for the price tag it should be a fricken Abrams
Interesting about the TT I haven't heard anything negative out them. I can understand that the price doesn't seem to meet the gains but at the high end of things there is always a point of diminishing return. I was considering trying to pickup a used one. I can't justify new price either.
I looked through a couple ZCO and wasn't blown away, didn't get to play with them much.
I looked through a couple ZCO and wasn't blown away, didn't get to play with them much.
A local prs shooter told me that tt has a design flaw limiting their mechanical durability. I thought he was full of it, just trying to "get my goat" for having better glass than him. Do some homework like I did, no more tt for me.
This is a post from another forum;
"I have seen a few mention a Tangent Theta, haven't posted this anywhere else yet but I mounted a TT315H to a 300PRC I put together for my dad with a prefit barrel. I torqued the ring cap screws to 18in/lb and will admit that the manual states to only torque to 15in/lb. A couple weeks prior to a big hunt the scope went tits up and the parallax quit working which left us scrambling to mount and work out a new scope.
The scope was sent back to Tangent Theta and they did fix the issue and return the scope in a reasonably timely manner. They stated that the reason it probably broke was because I tightened the ring cap screws over the 15in/lb limit. Pretty disappointed because I loved the features of the scope but I have never had an issue with any other scopes tightening the screws to 18in/lb or higher on some. For the money I will never buy or trust one again. Could it be a fluke? Sure, but for me it's a 1 for 1 failure so I'm done."
What is the homework that you've done, and what's the mechanically limiting design flaw? Genuinely interested.
I have no idea what the design flaw is that is way above my pay grade. I spent alot of time researching, Google search- asked around at prs matches- talked to multiple optics reps.
It seemed to me like failures were fairly common for the small number of them out there. I am not going to pay a premium for a product that does not perform accordingly. This is the conclusion I have came to it may be different for you.
The local shooter didn't explain the mechanical flaw?
Can you explain what you mean by "talked to optics reps"?
