memtb
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If using a suppressor, the total rifle weight with the suppressor should be a good carry/shooting weight at 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 pounds …..maximum! memtb
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If using a suppressor, the total rifle weight with the suppressor should be a good carry/shooting weight at 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 pounds …..maximum! memtb
Dang man, 6 1/2 pound 300wm all up and trail ready with supressor....do you have one of these?
memtb
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No sir! I haven't "crunched" the recoil values, but with the Suppressor, which I understand helps reduce felt recoil a bit and a good recoil pad….... felt recoil from a 6 1/2 pound 300 WM shouldn't be unbearable. 20 + rounds from the bench may not be pleasant…..but this is a "carry" weight hunting rifle!
I've never researched suppressors, but approximately what is the % recoil reduction with a "quality" suppressor? With that knowledge, I'll attempt to to determine the ft/lbs recoil. memtb
memtb
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Thank You…..I'll attempt to arrive at somewhat representative value! memtb
My comment wasn't necessarily directed at recoil but more in how to build a complete, trail ready, magnum long action rifle with a supressor at 6 1/2 pounds. That's impressively light IMO.
As far as recoil, I wouldn't think that would be a very pleasant rifle to shoot haha.
memtb
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Using a 215 Berger as a bullet, estimated 2900 mv due to a shorter barrel for the suppressor, 78.7 grains as the powder charge weight, I get 50.47 ft/lbs recoil not figuring in the 30% recoil reduction when using the can…..is 8 ft/lbs less recoil than my hunting rifle.
Deducting the 30% when using the can…..I get a recoil value of 35.5 ft/lbs recoil. If I did the 30% reduction math properly!
35.5 ft/lbs recoil……less recoil produced by my wife's hunting rifle! She uses neither can nor brake……clearly if she can do it most any man can, provided he doesn't have an injury in which he can't be subjected to much recoil! memtb
Deducting the 30% when using the can…..I get a recoil value of 35.5 ft/lbs recoil. If I did the 30% reduction math properly!
35.5 ft/lbs recoil……less recoil produced by my wife's hunting rifle! She uses neither can nor brake……clearly if she can do it most any man can, provided he doesn't have an injury in which he can't be subjected to much recoil! memtb
Right but how heavy is this rifle? Again, recoil reduction was secondary to my interest in a build list for a rifle this light.
Sorry to hijack OP. But I think a rifle of these specs deserves some attention haha
memtb
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I did my math on a 6.5 pound rifle (total) scoped, loaded, and with sling. The numbers were with or without can.
I somewhat "guestimated" the velocity….as I really didn't know the finished barrel length for use with the can.
If with a longer barrel, and no can while keeping the weight @ 6.5 lbs…...the increased velocity (due to longer barrel) will increase the recoil some! memtb
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memtb
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I don't know how that weight can be arrived at…..likely very expensive. I was attempting to emphasize that a light rifle, doesn't necessarily mean recoil that is impossible to cope with!
In reality…. 7.5 to 8 pounds would be a more realistic weight. That extra weight would decrease the recoil a bit!
Everyone appears to be very recoil conscious….so I pulled a rifle weight from my rectum to provide the recoil values. An attempt to show that even at a potentially near impossible weight to achieve……the recoil is quite tolerable for a motivated shooter!
For a carry rifle…..reduced weight trumps a few less ft/lbs recoil! JMO memtb
FireFlyFishing
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I have a 8 ish lbs CA Ridgeline FFT 300 wm 22" barrel. It's not painful to shoot, but it's a lot to hold onto. Spotting impacts is a no go. I went from the suppressor to a brake and like the brake better. That's shooting 210 VLDS.
OP has a Banish 30, so it's around 11 oz configured at 7" and 14 oz at 9" configuration. He'll need a sub 5 lbs rifle to even come close to 6.5-7.5 lbs goal. 8-9 lbs with the current suppressor and over 20 ounce scope is a more realistic goal with a 22" barrel and 26-30 oz chassis.
The reason I know this I have a 7lb suppressed .308 with 3-10X42 SHV, Mountain Tech rings, and 14 oz Omega 300 suppressor. My stock weighs barely over 1 lb and just over 3.5 lbs for the barreled action if I add in polymer tg, magazine, and action screws. The rifle alone weighs 4 lbs 10.6 oz.
IMO a brake will tame recoil much better than a suppressor, and I can tell you that my Howa isn't fun to shoot with 180 gr or heavier bullets. 168 gr is about the upper limit that I want to shoot in any quantity, even suppressed. I can't spot impacts on most bullets even with the suppressor, as this rifle has a very fast and sharp recoil.
@Upnorth1, again I'm not trying to talk you out of your build. However have you looked at the Weatherby 307 Alpine, it is basically the build you described but on a M700 footprint 307 Weatherby action and under 7 lbs. I don't know if you can trim the barrel back to 22" and stay out of the flutes, but I'd bet at $3200 it's cheaper than you can build. When you want a light rifle, it's almost always cheaper to buy factory.
If you go forward on the Tikka build, I'd go with your original cartridge of choice .300 WM. Id buy a SS T3x lite, drop the barreled action in a MDT Hnt26 chassis, after cutting and threading at 22". Even at this you'll be over $2500 just to assemble.
If you build a 7 PRC Tikka, MDT Hnt26 $1400 standard chassis, $1600 for the folding, $50-70 for one AI mag, $800+ for a donor action (if you don't have one), cost of barrel of your choice, plus whatever your GS charges to install, chamber, thread, and anything else you want done to the rifle. Stuff adds up quickly for sure.
Thanks for your reply. I will definitely keep the Weatherby in mind! I'll have to see what my gunsmith comes up with and the price tag.
I didn't know about the Weatherby until today, when I started looking for rifle available in 7 PRC. I found it at the Sportsmans Warehouse web page.
