at 73, im probably much older than most here. in my home state of pa. age 12 is minimum age. 1947 was my first year deer hunting. ww2 had only been over for 2 years. the hunting scene was much different then. scopes for example were almost non existant. the popular rifles were 94 win. 99 savage, mod.14 rem. pump, as well as some 8 mm mausers, 06 springfields, and the like. much of the hunting was by way of organized drives. my first rifle was a mod.94 win. 30/30. i later got a rem.mod.141 pump in 35rem. first 5 years i hunted in lycoming co. in early 50s we moved to the sinnemahoning area of cameron co. ( n/c pa.) it was there that i first wittnessed long range hunting. primative by todays standards. i could go on for hours with stories of what ive seen. in the late 50s i bought a savage mod.110 left hand, in 30/06. i installed a b & l balvar 2.5/8 scope on it. savage was first with the lefty bolt in this country. we knew nothing about rangefinders, changing scope settings etc. we used hand held binnocs. and a spotting scope. we didnt even know about using a spotter. we just shot, if it dropped we got it, if it didnt, we assumed we missed. of course we were only shooting to about 500yds. max. and that was a guess. in about 1970, or 71 a group of guys moved into the area, that changed everything for us. they had all the equiptment, and knew how to use it. 1000 yd. shots were easy for them. i wasted no time befriending them. they taught me most of what i know about longrange hunting. many others also, although some wont admitt it. we are still very close friends. they were prodigys of alex hoyer of 6.5x300 fame. he was also a very early long range hunter in pa. quite possibly the earliest, at least with big equiptment. he was not however the originater of the 6.5x300, but thats another story. i never met al hoyer, he died in around 1974, im sure i would have enjoyed knowing him. im fortunate however in that i know, have known, and hunted with, many of the early ones associated with both long range hunting, and 1000yd. competition.