I will not be getting 'the vaccine'...

[ATH]

You win.

Many others describe it differently. Say it does change the RNA. Attaches something to the RNA that wasn't there prior to the injection.

Have you considered creating your own YouTube video? Set the record straight amongst your peers, and for me, a relative peon.

This could be your legacy.

"Many others". As in, many other ignorant voices on social media which you give validity to....why? What evidence have they provided to believe them? How have they convinced you they have the basic scientific knowledge to even speak to this?

The reason I don't bother is evident in your reply...I'm a scientific expert in the field and actually understand this....I try to explain it to you...but you dismiss it because the other ignorants agree with what you want to believe so you have dismissed me. Why bother.

A part of me understands this. Fauci and the CDC have burned any credibility they had with the public though their actions, which leads to a general distrust. I get that. But that doesn't mean you start trusting the guy next door who does transmission jobs with chicken wire, a hacksaw, and a ball peen hammer to build your precision rifle instead of Fiftydriver. But that's the exact attitude I see playing out on this thread.

 

[StumpGrinder]

This is an on going clandestine operation that's been going on since the end of the Civil War. The war was NOT North against South. It is Republican against Democrat Socialist. They lost that war but never stopped fighting. The KKK was started by the Democrat Socialist party to slow the surge of newly freed men joining the Constitutional REPUBLICAN party. The Democrat Socialist party should have been abolished but the Republicans needed their help to fight the Indians. After the Indians were annihilated they were put on land no one else wanted, denied citizenship, representation and any voice in government untill 1954. While the Democrat Socialist party were given back citizenship, representation and their voice in government just because we had a common enemy. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." They have been quietly building a shadow government since they lost the war. On November 3 2020 they succeeded with computers what they failed to do with bullets. The take over of our Constitutional Republic!!! With the control of the media the control what the population knows and DOESN'T know!!! Every coup starts with stopping the flow of information and/or a flow of misinformation to keep the public in the dark about what's acctualy going on untill it's to late to stop them. Then the invent, cause or allow a tragedy so they can disarm the public and make them think it was their idea and that it is in their best interest. Once the public are disarmed they ARE sheep waiting for slaughter. This is why our Founders wrote the 2nd Amendment!!!

 

[ATH]

Thank you for your chiming in here, @ATH

I appreciate your effort to set the record straight.

I understand the RNA fragment known as the 'antigen' is encased in lipid nanoparticles. Could you demystify what lipid nanoparticles means for we neophytes?

As a professional in the field, what do you make of Dr. Cahill's comments?

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I will not be getting 'the vaccine'...

Side bar.....Trump was just acquitted on his second shame impeachment trial.

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RNA free outside of a cell is a warning sign to the body. The only reason for it to be there is a virus, and therefor a) just seeing it causes an immune response (innate immunity, not specific to an antigen, causing general inflammation and a fever), and b) the body is really good at breaking it down. mRNA cannot survive for any significant period of time because of this. So it is encapsulated within a fat bubble...a lipid nanoparticle....which protects it. Cell membranes are also lipids, so these lipid nanoparticles can fuse with cells and deliver their mRNA payload into the cell, where it causes protein machinery to make the encoded protein fragment -- the antigen -- for a period of time before the mRNA is degraded. The antigen is presented on the cell surface where it actives the adaptive immune system -- the one which produces a specific response to a specific antigen and gives you immunity in the future.

As for Cahill's comments, sorry, I'm not wasting an hour of my life on a video. A quick search implies that she is making really unfounded claims about nutrition/vitamins/hydroychloroquine....good luck with that...if those are her claims (is this the nearly year old video? We've come a long way since then) they've been completely debuked. We have positive Phase 3 trials for multiple vaccines, antibodies, and other treatments, folks...

 

[ATH]

Chirp, chirp, chirp.........

Sorry I have a life outside this forum and didn't reply in less than 24 hours

 

[bota]

One hundred and fifty six years is impressive for a clandestine operation. I am happy to take your unused vaccines

 

[Swamplord]

I give up, Swamplord. What is it you are really trying to say to us? No attachments needed. I simply want to know what you are thinking in your own mind about the Covid-19 vaccines. No judgment here. Just can't figure where you really stand.

Bear with me a moment as I explain ...

My tactics with anything that I may have an interest in ... or anything that may affect my life, health, family, friends, career and hobbies (wildcat cartridge & projectile developments) etc, etc ...

Usually involve extensive and often intensive research and study before I make a judgement on.... or commit to....

And, I was raised to believe that Life is the single most precious gift bestowed upon mankind by God, and we must preserve and protect that precious "one time" gift of life with all our strength .... physical & mental .... and just as important emotional strength and compassion ...

Your life and health are precious to me too ......

 

[ATH]

why do you trust anything funded by Bill Gates for a vaccine to prolong life when he is one of, if not the biggest proponent of reducing the human.population ? ,.

This is a prime example of selective editing. Do you actually understand the connection between Gates' vaccine efforts and his comments around human population? Clearly not. His point is that in the developing world, people have as many kids as possible with no attempt to control it because they expect a large percentage of them to die from diseases before reaching adulthood. This drives the population up. If through deliberate vaccination efforts we can reduce youth mortality, they will no longer feel the need to have a dozen kids per family. Thus we can both reduce suffering/death AND overall population numbers by improving outcomes through a fewer number of kids.

But hey, once again, I'm bucking a popular narrative based on ignorance...

 

[StumpGrinder]

"Many others". As in, many other ignorant voices on social media which you give validity to....why? What evidence have they provided to believe them? How have they convinced you they have the basic scientific knowledge to even speak to this?

The reason I don't bother is evident in your reply...I'm a scientific expert in the field and actually understand this....I try to explain it to you...but you dismiss it because the other ignorants agree with what you want to believe so you have dismissed me. Why bother.

A part of me understands this. Fauci and the CDC have burned any credibility they had with the public though their actions, which leads to a general distrust. I get that. But that doesn't mean you start trusting the guy next door who does transmission jobs with chicken wire, a hacksaw, and a ball peen hammer to build your precision rifle instead of Fiftydriver. But that's the exact attitude I see playing out on this thread.

then leave the thread, you are obviously part of the problem, not the solution! My information comes from a doctor who has studied viruses and has had Covid 19 and survived. He was given Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin and several other things. He only advises patients over 60 with underlying conditions to get the "vaccine". And then only because he doesn't believe they would survive the virus. He DOESN'T recommend anyone under 60 in reasonable health to get these current "vaccines". I don't care if you believe him or agree with him. I know him and trust him, he is not only my friend but also my brother in Faith. You, on the other hand, I Don't know!!!

 

[7fan1967]

Here is an interesting video - doctors from around the world conveying facts many of us have never heard before. I work in healthcare, and yes the last year has been crazy, but not for the reasons one might think. I have been encouraging, and participating in critical discussion with coworkers, and most of us have the feeling that only one side of the story is being featured in the media right now.

I am not an anti-vaxer. I believe in immunizations, and have received many in my life. I have always gone to a travel clinic and ensured my shots are up to date for whichever part of the world I may be visiting.

I have been learning a lot about Virology, and believe everyone has the right to INFORMED CONSENT. I'm not saying the vaccine is 'bad'. I believe there are some people for whom it will be a sensible choice, but at this time the data is lacking. I encourage everyone to review the vaccine trials, for me personally it raised more questions than answers.

Ask The Experts (Covid-19 Vaccine) - Banned on YouTube & Facebook (Part 2 in description)

⁣ALSO WATCH ASK THE EXPERT'S PART 2 https://brandnewtube.com/watch/ask-the-experts-ii-oracle-films-covileaks-2021-bbc-panorama-response_OvssgcJXMblheFt.html

brandnewtube.com

Here is an interesting video - doctors from around the world conveying facts many of us have never heard before. I work in healthcare, and yes the last year has been crazy, but not for the reasons one might think. I have been encouraging, and participating in critical discussion with coworkers, and most of us have the feeling that only one side of the story is being featured in the media right now.

I am not an anti-vaxer. I believe in immunizations, and have received many in my life. I have always gone to a travel clinic and ensured my shots are up to date for whichever part of the world I may be visiting.

I have been learning a lot about Virology, and believe everyone has the right to INFORMED CONSENT. I'm not saying the vaccine is 'bad'. I believe there are some people for whom it will be a sensible choice, but at this time the data is lacking. I encourage everyone to review the vaccine trials, for me personally it raised more questions than answers.

Ask The Experts (Covid-19 Vaccine) - Banned on YouTube & Facebook (Part 2 in description)

⁣ALSO WATCH ASK THE EXPERT'S PART 2 https://brandnewtube.com/watch/ask-the-experts-ii-oracle-films-covileaks-2021-bbc-panorama-response_OvssgcJXMblheFt.html

brandnewtube.com

 

[StumpGrinder]

This is a prime example of selective editing. Do you actually understand the connection between Gates' vaccine efforts and his comments around human population? Clearly not. His point is that in the developing world, people have as many kids as possible with no attempt to control it because they expect a large percentage of them to die from diseases before reaching adulthood. This drives the population up. If through deliberate vaccination efforts we can reduce youth mortality, they will no longer feel the need to have a dozen kids per family. Thus we can both reduce suffering/death AND overall population numbers by improving outcomes through a fewer number of kids.

But hey, once again, I'm bucking a popular narrative based on ignorance...

You are absolutely wrong about the motivation of Gates and his group also known as the Illuminadi and their goal is the New World Order. We are to dumb in their eyes to know what's in our own best interests. And since they are so much smarter than us, their elite little group need to have complete control in order to save the planet and us from our selves!!! Unfortunately in order for their plan to work they need to reduce the world population by 1/3 to 1/2 to be sustainable. And since they are so much smarter than us they will be the ones to choose who to eliminate! Our Constitutional Republic is in their way, and all our guns are a problem for them because we are just stupid enough to fight for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!!! As for your THEORY about population spikes. Islam has always had 2 methods of attack on their enemies. The direct approach if they think they can win in an armed conflict. Or through attrition of their enemies are to powerfull. The come into a country, settle into tight communities and start pumping out babies. They don't assemalat into the new country's way of life or beliefs but instead raise the next generation to hate their new country and teach that with the help of Allah their generation or the next will overthrow the infidels and put them under Sharia law!!!! Since the inception of Islam this has been the pattern. How else do you think we got Islamic women in Congress. Minnesota is now nearing majority Islam and has been quietly trying to succeed. Obama flew plane loads of Muslims into this country and settled them into these enclaves. One such is Deerborn MN. If you as a woman stop in Deerborn alone, without a burka you are subject to be raped and murdered under Sharia law. Truckers are told to avoid these areas!!! If you don't believe me, try it. Let us know how it turnes out. I'll wait!

 

[Pdvdh]

"Many others". As in, many other ignorant voices on social media which you give validity to....why? What evidence have they provided to believe them? How have they convinced you they have the basic scientific knowledge to even speak to this?

The reason I don't bother is evident in your reply...I'm a scientific expert in the field and actually understand this....I try to explain it to you...but you dismiss it because the other ignorants agree with what you want to believe so you have dismissed me. Why bother.

A part of me understands this. Fauci and the CDC have burned any credibility they had with the public though their actions, which leads to a general distrust. I get that. But that doesn't mean you start trusting the guy next door who does transmission jobs with chicken wire, a hacksaw, and a ball peen hammer to build your precision rifle instead of Fiftydriver. But that's the exact attitude I see playing out on this thread.

Well, it's your choice to participate. I don't need to be a molecular biologist to know that.

I'm serious about presenting your expert facts on YouTube. There are credible videos there. Educate us with something more than a miniscule correction from my prior post expressing my understanding of the interaction between RNA and DNA. Then using that correction and your claim to expertise to summarily dismiss everything else posted here. Because that's my observation. You found a snippet, claimed it's wrong, tell us you're an expert, and then dismiss an abundance of information critical of the safety of prior similar RNA treatments on corona family viruses.

This thread is titled, and primarily about, safety of the currently available/approved China virus injections. That question is the primary reason I'm participating.

So would you reply to one or two questions most pertinent to this thread? I mean, if you're participating to help...

1) The currently approved injections you say are vaccines, and inferred are similar to other vaccines in prior and continuing use... Do you know that these are safe for human injection? The Pfizer and Moderna injections?
2) The second question is only pertinent if you answer "yes they're safe" to question #1. How do you, and how can you, know these injections are safe? Say... as safe as flu shots?

If you answer they aren't safe, or you can't know whether or not they're as safe as a flu shot, well... that will be quite the change of pace, and tone.

 

[Pdvdh]

ATH,
If you're knowledgeable and informed about the PCR testing that's been used to tally the number of people infected with this China virus...
Is it an appropriate test to identify the number of humans that have contracted this virus?

 

[StumpGrinder]

ATH,
If you're knowledgeable and informed about the PCR testing that's been used to tally the number of people infected with this China virus...
Is it an appropriate test to identify the number of humans that have contracted this virus?

Here are some real numbers anyone can look up. Go back over the past 5 or 10 years and search the annual number of deaths from all causes in the USA. When I did this search I found that the death rate from ALL causes in America in 2020 was on average or a little BELOW average over the past 5 to 10 years. The media arm of the Democrat Socialist party would have us believe that 200,000 or so MORE people died in 2020 due to covid19, so then shouldn't that average of all deaths from all causes be higher than the average of previous years by that same amount? But please DON'T take my word for it, check it out for yourselves. The Apostle Paul told his followers to question everything, even what he told them. I live by that advice!!!!

 

[Outdrmn]

Here are some real numbers anyone can look up. Go back over the past 5 or 10 years and search the annual number of deaths from all causes in the USA. When I did this search I found that the death rate from ALL causes in America in 2020 was on average or a little BELOW average over the past 5 to 10 years. The media arm of the Democrat Socialist party would have us believe that 200,000 or so MORE people died in 2020 due to covid19, so then shouldn't that average of all deaths from all causes be higher than the average of previous years by that same amount? But please DON'T take my word for it, check it out for yourselves. The Apostle Paul told his followers to question everything, even what he told them. I live by that advice!!!!

1 Thessalonians 5:21,22
But test everything, hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.