Help... Am I making long range shooting too hard?

If you're keeping it at 600 yards and closer just make a card for the average elevation and average temperature of the area you'll be hunting. It'll hammer whatever you shoot at.

I have RF binos, but keep a small chart in my scope cap for 8000' and 50 degrees. Came in handy when I left my binos behind on accident during a quit hike up the hill. Turn up some bucks at 540 yards. My buddy had his little hand held range finder. We were at 9000' and probably 40 degrees. Set my turret based off my little dope chart and we both hammered the bucks with my rifle. They were dead 20' apart. 600 is a safe yardage to not have to get to compicated.
Likewise, I have a card taped to my scope with 50-yard increments assuming 40 degrees F and 8,000' elevation. I hunt 0-80 degrees and 5,000-10,000'. Within 500 yards, the card is close enough that I've learned to estimate (guess) the adjustment pretty well. Wind and angle of inclination often matter more than these adjustments, anyways. . . .
 
I am fairly new to long range shooting. I have read many posts here, books, articles, and watched tons of youtube videos. I have taken two different three day courses. I know how to sight in my rifle, make a dope card out to 1000 yards, and even put it all info into my app's. I do not plan on shooting for hunting over 500-600 yards, but I love shooting out there further.

I still feel overwhelmed and unsure of everything for my hunting trips coming up. I think I am making this too hard! I feel there are too many variables. I sight in my gun at a certain temperature and elevation... It is rare that I will be at that exact same temp and that exact same elevation combo on any hunt ever. So the dope cards will never be for that certain situation. Do you make hundreds of dope cards for tons of elevation and temp variables? The temp is very different first thing in the morning vs afternoon. Do you absolutely have to buy a kestrel for everything? Do I need to get my phone out, put in all of the data exactly before each shot when hunting?

Once sighted in and dope card made, how do you know it will be on when you move to another location? I can re-zero at that site, but will all my other data on that dope card be accurate? I don't know if this makes sense. I appreciate any input to understand this.

I think I am making this too hard!
For a 1k shot, no. for a midrange shot? yes. How far can you hit a paper plate the first time, every time under field conditions? That is your maximum range assuming your rifle has the nesc killing power that far. If not ballistics limit your range. All the little things that matter in a 1k shot will not make you miss the plate @ 500 except wind. Practice and learn your rifle. Don't get so hung up on Tech. Back in the old days we had none of this stuff, and successfully shot game this far. Zeroed Flat shooting beanfield rifles @350 yds. Young eyes knew if you could see his legs when he walked he was 400 or less. Hold was just above center if he looked 400. Hold center if a little closer. After that it got a little more dicey. 880 across the field. 2/3 across, hold a foot over his back. ETC. We killed a lot of game with no Tech and duplex cross haired hunting scopes. We shot a lot and knew where to hold for range and wind. Too much wind? Get closer.
 
My wife, for example could care less, just wants to send a round and hit the intended target and prefers I don't talk, just dial the rifle and shut my pie hole.
Sounds like she's in her zone and ready for the shot. Awesome!
 
I can commiserate with you - when I first started shooting long range AND reloaiding at the same time, it WAS a bit overwhelming and overthinking everything is just something we all go through and get over. LOTS of good info before me, so let me just say - relax and have fun!!!!!!.
 
Yes sir. I have already burned 1500 rounds for the year. Trigger time and study. I shoot a lot of positional and play with data. I nerd out on ballistics, those apps allows us to model everything under the sun and see what is supposed to happen in changing conditions. Then apply that knowledge in the field. It is very accurate. When you hunt and shoot in mountain terrain that goes from 3500 to 10000 feet you better have a solid understanding of what your rifle is going to do and why. To me that is the fun in it but that's how I roll. My wife, for example could care less, just wants to send a round and hit the intended target and prefers I don't talk, just dial the rifle and shut my pie hole.
My wife will not hunt with me. She says I won't be still and make too much noise. Go Figure.
 
I truly appreciate all of the reply's here and the direction. Love this site for this purpose, and I'm glad to hear that it is me overthinking this. At this point, I just need to spend time at the range and learn what my rifle and scope adjustments can do. All of the comments and input definitely help and its time to shoot and get comfortable with it. Thank you all for the input!
 
I truly appreciate all of the reply's here and the direction. Love this site for this purpose, and I'm glad to hear that it is me overthinking this. At this point, I just need to spend time at the range and learn what my rifle and scope adjustments can do. All of the comments and input definitely help and its time to shoot and get comfortable with it. Thank you all for the input!
If you can, take a long range hunting class. It cuts through a lot of clutter and gets you focused on the things that can really screw up your day.
 
At the end of the day... don't let anything get in the way of actually shooting. All the academics are fun for me, but it's just prep work for shooting. Go shoot more. Shoot any time you can. All that matters is when the trigger breaks - everything else is noise. Get focused, let the internet and dope cards and environmentals and all that float out of your head, let out half a breath, and send it.
 
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If you can, take a long range hunting class. It cuts through a lot of clutter and gets you focused on the things that can really screw up your day.
I believe he's been to two, three day courses. He might be on information over load. IMO it illustrates that he wants to take a responsible shot. Good news is he got some good advise on here so I think he'll be able to pick what works for him. Another course wouldn't hurt though.
 
I believe he's been to two, three day courses. He might be on information over load. IMO it illustrates that he wants to take a responsible shot. Good news is he got some good advise on here so I think he'll be able to pick what works for him. Another course wouldn't hurt though.
Gotcha. Missed that. Long Range Hunting courses tend to cover a little different subject matter in my experience. Might be wrong, but I've been part of a couple and co-instructed several and the courses tend to focus on things a bit differently. LR shooting is a rabbit hole and LRH and first round impacts with 90% plus probability is no joke. Can be very overwhelming.
 
Gotcha. Missed that. Long Range Hunting courses tend to cover a little different subject matter in my experience. Might be wrong, but I've been part of a couple and co-instructed several and the courses tend to focus on things a bit differently. LR shooting is a rabbit hole and LRH and first round impacts with 90% plus probability is no joke. Can be very overwhelming.
That's true a different courses can cover a different subject matter. Sometimes the same subject matter can be taught with a different instructor and the student will grasp it easier. I agree first round impacts is no joke. A well placed shot is our goal for a humane harvest. Which is one of the reasons why I love target shooting and varmint hunting.
 
I am fairly new to long range shooting. I have read many posts here, books, articles, and watched tons of youtube videos. I have taken two different three day courses. I know how to sight in my rifle, make a dope card out to 1000 yards, and even put it all info into my app's. I do not plan on shooting for hunting over 500-600 yards, but I love shooting out there further.

I still feel overwhelmed and unsure of everything for my hunting trips coming up. I think I am making this too hard! I feel there are too many variables. I sight in my gun at a certain temperature and elevation... It is rare that I will be at that exact same temp and that exact same elevation combo on any hunt ever. So the dope cards will never be for that certain situation. Do you make hundreds of dope cards for tons of elevation and temp variables? The temp is very different first thing in the morning vs afternoon. Do you absolutely have to buy a kestrel for everything? Do I need to get my phone out, put in all of the data exactly before each shot when hunting?

Once sighted in and dope card made, how do you know it will be on when you move to another location? I can re-zero at that site, but will all my other data on that dope card be accurate? I don't know if this makes sense. I appreciate any input to understand this.

I think I am making this too hard!
If being accurate and responsible out to 600 yards do your self a favor and spend some money on a range finder like a Sig Sauer 2200 BDX. You'll be good to go out to 800 yards. I bought a couple of these for my son and son-in-law to cover their archery and rifle hunting situations. I checked them against my G7 BR2 and they were right on. Range cards can still work if you don't change elevation and temp by a large amount day to day, say hunting a farm in the mid-west or Texas.

 
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I am fairly new to long range shooting. I have read many posts here, books, articles, and watched tons of youtube videos. I have taken two different three day courses. I know how to sight in my rifle, make a dope card out to 1000 yards, and even put it all info into my app's. I do not plan on shooting for hunting over 500-600 yards, but I love shooting out there further.

I still feel overwhelmed and unsure of everything for my hunting trips coming up. I think I am making this too hard! I feel there are too many variables. I sight in my gun at a certain temperature and elevation... It is rare that I will be at that exact same temp and that exact same elevation combo on any hunt ever. So the dope cards will never be for that certain situation. Do you make hundreds of dope cards for tons of elevation and temp variables? The temp is very different first thing in the morning vs afternoon. Do you absolutely have to buy a kestrel for everything? Do I need to get my phone out, put in all of the data exactly before each shot when hunting?

Once sighted in and dope card made, how do you know it will be on when you move to another location? I can re-zero at that site, but will all my other data on that dope card be accurate? I don't know if this makes sense. I appreciate any input to understand this.

I think I am making this too hard!
Main thing, practice until you can't miss. Understand your limits. This way you have confidence when you pull the trigger.
 
When I was in school, I had to work out math problems on paper; couldn't use a calculator. As the math I was doing became more advanced, I used calculators.
I understood the principles by then.
I get it that we should all know how to derive dope and understand the values. In fact, I'm one of those that enjoy it.
Two things in the OPs opener stand out to me.
1. Hunting
2. Range of 500-600

There are many reliable calculators that will give you fast and accurate drops and wind holds. I use the Gunworks RF (BR2500, preordered BR4). It's dead on every time.
It's devastating to loose a wounded animal. I pencil dope when I'm shooting rocks, for hunting, get a legit calculator.
 
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