Heavy vs Light Long Range Rifle

[WildRose]

I have owned some darn accurate Weatherby's both factory and custom. Haven't lapped lugs yet.

Jeff

I've learned that lapping the lugs while time consuming is not a particularly challenging or difficult process.

The Weatherby is amongst the strongest action ever produced and I have yet to see an Accumark that would not shoot and shoot very will with very little work.

As for the light vs heavy. ..

Heavier is steadier and lends to greater accuracy/precision but in my experience most of the benefit is gained before hitting the 15lbs mark and heavier than that makes shooting offhand a problem.

As for stocks, the factory weatherby accumark stock seems to me to be a great design for a rifle that will be shot both offhand or from the prone.

 

[Broz]

Heavier is steadier and lends to greater accuracy/precision but in my experience most of the benefit is gained before hitting the 15lbs mark and heavier than that makes shooting offhand a problem.

Right on, with the exception of chamberings larger than the big 338's and the LRKM for off hand of course.

Jeff

 

[matemike]

A 22lb long range rig? okay that's heavy. Bench gun, right? The fact that you say you hunt with it boggles me. Hats off to you my friend. Even though you drive up to your location, you still have to haul it out of said vehicle and make a good shot with no rest or a poor one at best. Using a make shift shooting rest in the wilderness is probably your biggest problem, knowing all too well that prone is not always an option due to trees, hills, shrubbery etc.

I have an Accumark in 338/378 (lefty) that I'm trying to make lighter. I carry it around through woods and along river banks though, no hill climbing. Couldn't imagine that.
My plan is to remove my NF NXS 3.5-15X50 from the Near Alphamount and set my Bushnell ERS 4.5-30X50 on it. This would save me close to half a pound and ultimately get the rifle closer to the 11 lb mark.

For information sake, I have a JE Custom Assassin brake on the factory barrel and it's no problem at all to shoot the 338/378 as far as recoil goes. IIRC it got down to 16 or 18 lbs of recoil felt to the shooter. I feel that shaving 7 oz off the total weight by swapping scopes alone will not have a huge effect on recoil felt by the shooter. I just hope the Bushnell, which is obviously not NF tough, can handle it.

 

[WildRose]

Right on, with the exception of chamberings larger than the big 338's and the LRKM for off hand of course.

Jeff

Even the big African Magnums top out around 14-16lbs for the most part. Heavier than that it's like swinging an artillery piece.

Shooting from any supported position it's no big deal other than lugging it to and from but unsupported offhand/freehand shooting that extra weight can be a problem especially if you have to make a quick shot on something that's coming at you.

 

[bigngreen]

Why not just have it rebarreled and stocked, a #5 barrel in a Rem Sporter stock with a 5.5-22x56 is around 10.2 lbs. I chambered a 338 RUM in that configuration that's shooting .5-.75 in groups at 300 and sub 1/2moa beyond a grand, you gotta think about shooting it at long range cause it is light and does not just sit there like a dead stick but it does a whole lot better than I expected.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

I'm sorry to do this in public. I wish I felt it could be effective in private.

Broz/Jeff,

Chill, I don't get where all this agro comes from.

I considered backing off but I just can't let falsehoods stand.

From my perspective, you seem to be very agro and hung up on being 'right' or 'your way'.

All this I responded to your post, you responded to my post is IMO BS. You write as if ... well, ,as if you don't want to allow a discussion.


Do you really believe I checked some other source for the spec weight instead of Wby? Innuendo used to discredit your debate opponent, IMO not a friendly discussion method.

When I said I went to Weatherby and touched the rifles did you think it was BS? IMO: Another very poor debate or discussion technique. Yes, indeed, Weatherby is across town from my house, they have a show room with all the current models and some historic pieces as well. Visitors can touch, lift, cycle and generally fondle the firearm porn. A bare TRR is much heavier than a bare Accumark. EOS. Yes, the website is "wrong". If you want to do something about it call Weatherby, maybe you can pull a Courtney on them and "make them" fix it but there was no need to go off on me.

I qualified my first post with IIWM which is "if it were me" and IMO which is "in my opinion". You took that went to the Wby website, quoted the spec there and used it as a whinny, your wrong, your wrong, your wrong tantrum. What's up with that?

My next post qualified why I think the Wby website is wrong. Then you went postal. All you needed to say was yes please go to Weatherby with a scale but that would have entered empirical data into the discussion.

Dude, take a chill pill and stop living in the world of "gotta get Seaman". Well, that's what is seems like to me. I only gave my opinion and what I would do as a contribution to the discussion.

 

[Broz]

LMAO, "laughing my *** off" I think it is you that needs the chill pill my friend. I just pointed out my position and supported my post after you disagreed with me. So, here you go , OK, you win you are 100% correct a Weatherby TRR is closer to 22 lbs than 12 as those were the op's numbers. I apologize, and you are 100% correct and the Weatherby site is off on their weight of the TRR by many many lbs. You Sir are the Weatherby KING.

Now lets let the OP's thread get back on track like it was before you started yet another silly round of useless bickering over a mute 2 or 3 lbs of rifle weight.

Over and out.

Jeff

 

[Broz]

Even the big African Magnums top out around 14-16lbs for the most part. Heavier than that it's like swinging an artillery piece.

Shooting from any supported position it's no big deal other than lugging it to and from but unsupported offhand/freehand shooting that extra weight can be a problem especially if you have to make a quick shot on something that's coming at you.

I got ya WildRose. I was thinking of the 375 Cheytac I shot a while back that was close to 30lbs and braked. It still thumped ya pretty good.

Jeff

 

[Deleted member 46119]

LMAO, (laughing my *** off) I think it is you that needs the chill pill my friend. I just pointed out my position and supported my post after you disagreed with me. So, here you go , OK, you win you are 100% correct a Weatherby TRR is closer to 22 lbs than 12 as those were the op's numbers. I apologize, and you are 100% correct and the Weatherby site is off on their weight of the TRR by many many lbs. You Sir are the Weatherby KING.

Now lets let the OP's thread get back on track like it was before you started yet another silly round of useless bickering over a mute 2 or 3 lbs of rifle weight.

Over and out.

Jeff

Never give up. Never back off. Add as much sarcasm as possible. You are even miss quoting your self to make a point. I never tried to make a point on the OP.

You got a problem with anyone having an opinion other than yours so you go to war, just like i asked you not to but you can't help yourself. LOL.

Go have another beer and chill out.

Oh and being dismissive as a form of debate conclusion is also IMO a poor discussion methodology.

 

[Broz]

Please re-read all this with an open mind. I wanted no war. OK, I looked and the TRR is listed at 9.25 lbs. I have never owned one, but do you have even a slight idea of how many rifles similar to this configuration I have built, set up owned and shot? Please give a little bit of credit here. The TRR with a 26" barrel plus brake and a contour not a lot different than an Accumark or Sendero is only going to differ from the Accumark weight in the stock. What is that? 2 lbs maybe 3 lbs tops? So instead of coming in at 12 lbs with a NF it will come in at 14 or 15? This is what you based all this argument over and in your first post choose to take my statement and disagree. I just ask you to reread all of the posts and see how silly this is. Really man. It's stupid.

From here get your last word as I am done. Be it you finally understand or you feel the need to attack me more. What ever you choose. I have better things to do and guys like you are the reason I do not post much here anymore. What the hell was this all about? Because you don't have an argument going with Cortney or someone else today so you choose me? I don't get it man. But judging from the PM's I am getting you have made quite a reputation for this stuff. Good for you.

Oh and as for your personal attack on my dignity accusing me of drinking while I post to make me look bad. No Sir, I have not had a drink today and have no plans too.

You are totally out of line friend.

Jeff

 

[WildRose]

I got ya WildRose. I was thinking of the 375 Cheytac I shot a while back that was close to 30lbs and braked. It still thumped ya pretty good.

Jeff

No doubt.

Of course something I learned long ago is that if you are shooting a heavy recoiling monster standing with nothing behind you is my preferred way to shoot it.

You can't fight that kind of recoil all you can do is be able to absorb it.

I still remember as a kid watching a documentary on African hunting where a guy shooting something like a 600 Nitro Express decided it would be smart to use sticks sitting with his back against a tree.

It only took him a couple of months to get over it.gun)

 

[HARPERC]

I still remember as a kid watching a documentary on African hunting where a guy shooting something like a 600 Nitro Express decided it would be smart to use sticks sitting with his back against a tree.

I remember a movie titled "A boy ten feet tall". A youngster makes his way across Africa to Europe looking for relatives after his parents were killed.

An older character (Edgar G Robinson) taking on a dare after a few drinks, breaks out his old 4 bore (I think). Gets back to back with his biggest gun bearer, and wears a sling for the rest of the movie.

 

[WildRose]

I remember a movie titled "A boy ten feet tall". A youngster makes his way across Africa to Europe looking for relatives after his parents were killed.

An older character (Edgar G Robinson) taking on a dare after a few drinks, breaks out his old 4 bore (I think). Gets back to back with his biggest gun bearer, and wears a sling for the rest of the movie.

I've seen that one too, had forgotten about it. Great movie.

The one I'm thinking of though was for real and it was pretty ugly. Poor guy reacted as if the shot had come out of the wrong end of the gun. I think it probably broke both his collar bone and scapula from the deformations. Ugly injury.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

Broz/Jeff,

Dude, even when saying you didn't want a war you throw out snipes and snarks.

A 22lb hunting rifle is an interesting problem.

My 338-300RUM/Edge came out at ~16.5lb. I don't know if I'll ever carry it.

IIWM keep the Edge and get the Mark V in Accumark. The TRR is a!so heavy so IMO that would not be an improvement.

Was my first post on this thread. From there YOU went off on me and did the same thing the now completely discredited Courtney did.

Sure would be nice if you'd man up and say sorry for starting off snarky by quoting the web site as a way to call me out.

And yes, it is possible to build a 12 to 14lb TRR configuration but with your snark of

Maybe you should have checked before posting...

Jeff

Everything else was lost.

And then the total lie of

Jfseaman, It was you who responded to my post in decent first. Choosing to select what I posted ......
Jeff

So yeah, it's you because I never referenced your posts until you started off with your first snarmy comment.