124HH or 123 AH vs 127LRX
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Hammer Comparison Test
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WeiserBucks
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You might be surprised, Berger performance isn't universally the same across the board.
My simple mind thinks this.
Compare a hammer to the same caliber, same ish weight competitor. Same cartridge. 2 guns. Barrel twist should yield approximately the same SF for each pill.
Load each up till you find max pressure.
Then compare speed and accuracy, drop, drift, terminal performance, in ranges brackets of 0-499, 500-999, 1000-etc etc
IMO, With TODAYS available options, no single pill will win every category.
But I think there will be an obvious winner for each range bracket.
Compare a hammer to the same caliber, same ish weight competitor. Same cartridge. 2 guns. Barrel twist should yield approximately the same SF for each pill.
Load each up till you find max pressure.
Then compare speed and accuracy, drop, drift, terminal performance, in ranges brackets of 0-499, 500-999, 1000-etc etc
IMO, With TODAYS available options, no single pill will win every category.
But I think there will be an obvious winner for each range bracket.
Ucsdryder
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Agreed. Eldm and hammer are apples to oranges.
CEB Lazers to hammers is a better test.
I think if you want to do it right you need an independent tester.
Speed, wind drift, BC/drop, expansion (lazers open to 1200fps), accuracy.
It's a hard comparison if someone wants to do it right.
The alternative is to tackle one aspect. For example expansion. I'd love to see a head to head expansion with CEB, LRX, HH in a .284. Start with a 28 nosler at 50 yards going stupid fast, then work your way to a 7mm-08 at 500 yards with a lower powder charge and try to get your fps down closer to 1200fps and see what the bullets all look like. That test does not exist as far as I know and would be very telling.
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But we are not comparing fruit.
I have no problem comparing hammer to eldm. Pick 225 eldm and 227 HH.
Shoot them to max pressure in 2 barrels with a twist that results in the same or close stability. See which one leads the category in each range bracket.
Also. tune ability should be a category.
I have no problem comparing hammer to eldm. Pick 225 eldm and 227 HH.
Shoot them to max pressure in 2 barrels with a twist that results in the same or close stability. See which one leads the category in each range bracket.
Also. tune ability should be a category.
Huntnful
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What about
We definitely know that light and fast is violent and very deadly with a high impact velocity. But if everything is based solely off impact velocity, that point alone is voided at about 500 yardish depending on the caliber and bullet. So it would just be cool to take them beyond that, where the impact velocity is now potentially much slower (due to BC) than the competitor and show that is still holds its own!
Hammers are badass killing machines. No question. But are they 1000 yard killing machines of any given caliber? I just like the 1000 yard benchmark since it's a long range hunting forum. And frankly anything 600 and closer is pretty easy to kill consistently with any bullet. 1000 yard steps it up a notch for sure and you need a lot of forgiveness in the load and the bullet on your side.
I think it would be a cool comparison, simply because of the huge differences in weight and muzzle velocity. It would show people what light and fast truly is capable of compared to heavy and slower. Like a test at 500 yards. And then a test at 1000 yards. Do the results stay the same? That'd be awesome to see first hand.
We definitely know that light and fast is violent and very deadly with a high impact velocity. But if everything is based solely off impact velocity, that point alone is voided at about 500 yardish depending on the caliber and bullet. So it would just be cool to take them beyond that, where the impact velocity is now potentially much slower (due to BC) than the competitor and show that is still holds its own!
Hammers are badass killing machines. No question. But are they 1000 yard killing machines of any given caliber? I just like the 1000 yard benchmark since it's a long range hunting forum. And frankly anything 600 and closer is pretty easy to kill consistently with any bullet. 1000 yard steps it up a notch for sure and you need a lot of forgiveness in the load and the bullet on your side.
Creedmoor shooter
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25 cal 90 grain absolute hammer or 92 hammer hunter vs 100 ttsx, 110 accubond and 100 partition. I'm being picky but it would be awesome to see them out of a 257 weatherby to compare integrity in high velocity impacts.
It would also be cool to see the 30 cal lever hammers vs traditional roundnose lead in a 30-30.
It would also be cool to see the 30 cal lever hammers vs traditional roundnose lead in a 30-30.
cohunt
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Eldm
lancetkenyon
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Do you have a link to the testing and results between the 215 Hyb and the 199 HH?
RockyMtnUT
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Gel Test Data part 2 is the thread.
Gel Test Data part 2
I figured I would start a new thread to finish the first one, since it got a bit sidetracked. I got the video segments of the gel testing and the long range shooting session that I promised to add. For those that may not have seen the original thread, I copied the original post from the 1st...
IllinoisBurt
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Used to shoot a ton of old school Speer 308 180 bt-sp and 200 hc-sp (flat base). Not quite as slippery as more recent ELD bullets but still good. I would imagine the 7mm 160 grainers would make a good comparison.
