Gel test Hammer vs Accubond

[Ingwe]

I don't owe you any more than the facts I already have given.

No you sure don't but saying so would establish your credibility...which at this point, you don't seem to have.

I thought that I have been pretty nice to you so not sure where your attitude is coming from...if you are confident in yourself you wouldn't be so defensive

 

[MTbackwoods]

You might need to get your hormones checked! One minute your full on rage next it's heart felt apologizing and hand holding.

I stated facts if you don't like them that's your problem.
As to my statement a cc wins the LR game over mono. And someone comes up with BC doesn't matter and tells me I'm stupid.
It's like shooting fish in a bucket.

I'll ignore your jabs from now on. I stated that BC plays no part in terminal performance. It is crucial for external ballistics, yes. But a bullets BC tells you nothing about how it will act once it arrives on target

 

[Fred3]

What is your minimum BC to be considered a LR bullet. I tried to read back through but may have missed it.

Don't have a min. I get the best Bullet for the cartridge with the highest BC I can still suited for my needs. If a guy needs a mono that's 100% fine there is just most likely a CC that will beat any given mono of like weight in BC and LR performance. And for half the cost! Doesn't matter unless you shoot.

 

[Fred3]

You poor thing.

 

[MTbackwoods]

You poor thing.

Ok. Humor me. I'll list two different BC bullets. Tell me which one is more lethal at long range.
Bullet A: G7 BC of .253
Bullet B: G7 BC of .211
Both are 140 class bullets

 

[beretzs]

This is almost akin to asking what truck works better for another fella.. We get to pick our own from our own personal experiences thankfully and what works for some isn't my idea of great but far be it from me to kick rocks at another fellas success. I am sure as the years move on folks will have more kills.

 

[dogz]

Negative, it has a belt, 300 wm View attachment 203019

and a quote:

I had a few people ask for detail on the 7BC Warrior

The 7 BC Warrior is made from a 300 Win Mag Case necked down to a 7mm, with out fire forming the brass. It is a 7-300 case and It pushes a 180 grain Berger bullet at 3160 feet per second, It is almost identical performance as a 28 Nosler at a portion of the cost and well out performs the 7 LRM. The chamber itself is what is different from the 7-300: it was specifically designed by James Eagleman who came up with the correct free-bore and 1.3 degree lead to allow for optimal performance using Berger bullets. The name was 7 BC for 7 mm Barbour Creek with Mark Simpson adding "Warrior" to commemorate our Wounded warriors. Bottom line it is a very cost effective cartridge that will kill anything you shoot at. Specifically designed for long range hunting

I have a bit of experience with various big 7's including ones off the 300 WM case. 3160 is a ton for the 180, I'm guessing either their barrels are longer than standard (IE 26") and or they're really horn honking on the load and primer pocket life is reduced to one or two firings...any idea what load their running to push a 180 that fast?

Many thanks

 

[beretzs]

I have a bit of experience with various big 7's including ones off the 300 WM case. 3160 is a ton for the 180, I'm guessing either their barrels are longer than standard (IE 26") and or they're really horn honking on the load and primer pocket life is reduced to one or two firings...any idea what load their running to push a 180 that fast?

Many thanks

I was thinking the same thing. I do 3090 with 175/RL33 or Retumbo with RWS cases on my Mashburn with brass that lasts forever with a 25" barrel. 3160 would be possible I guess with some slow burners and longer tubes. That definitely puts it in the 28 Nosler realm though. I would like to see what they are running across the board.

 

[Fred3]

Ok. Humor me. I'll list two different BC bullets. Tell me which one is more lethal at long range.
Bullet A: G7 BC of .253
Bullet B: G7 BC of .211
Both are 140 class bullets

No you sure don't but saying so would establish your credibility...which at this point, you don't seem to have.

I thought that I have been pretty nice to you so not sure where your attitude is coming from...if you are confident in yourself you wouldn't be so defensive
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[Fred3]

Ok. Humor me. I'll list two different BC bullets. Tell me which one is more lethal at long range.
Bullet A: G7 BC of .253
Bullet B: G7 BC of .211
Both are 140 class bullets

Depending on construction would it not. LOL
And a CC with a higher BC (Per normal) and a mono the CC wins. Tuck that under your pointy hat.

As well as the bullet that has a better exterior BC will reach the target with more energy and offer the shooter less wind drift.
The fact that you are still trying to squirm out of the dumbest comment in this thread is if nothing absolutely fun. Keep up the good work.

 

[MTbackwoods]

Depending on construction would it not. LOL
And a CC with a higher BC (Per normal) and a mono the CC wins. Tuck that under your pointy hat.

And with that I bow out

 

[Fred3]

Ok. Humor me. I'll list two different BC bullets. Tell me which one is more lethal at long range.
Bullet A: G7 BC of .253
Bullet B: G7 BC of .211
Both are 140 class bullets

 

[CMP70306]

Don't have a min. I get the best Bullet for the cartridge with the highest BC I can still suited for my needs. If a guy needs a mono that's 100% fine there is just most likely a CC that will beat any given mono of like weight in BC and LR performance. And for half the cost! Doesn't matter unless you shoot.

Honestly bullet cost in terms of hunting ammo is kind of irrelevant, I'm probably low compared to many members of this forum but if I spent $3 a bullet for the 28 big game animals I've killed in my 16 years of hunting it still wouldn't equal what my yearly hunting license costs. So the extra cost of the hammers is kind of a moot point, target shooting however is another matter entirely.

Additionally being a PA Hunter I unfortunately do not have the luxury of only hunting wide open spaces, my shots can range from 10 yards to 700 yards all on the walk back from my stand. Last year when I built my hunting rifle I did a full evaluation of cartridges, bullets and bullet performance for my personal needs for the places I hunt.

Based on that criteria the lower BC of the hammer bullets is offset by the fact that I do not have to worry about blow ups on close ranges shots like I would with a standard LR bullet design. After using the 143gr ELD-X out of my 6.5 Creedmoor two years ago and seeing their explosive tendency at a modest 2500 fps impact velocity I decided to look at lighter mono's when I switched to the 6.5 PRC due to the higher velocity.

Now if we look at the 124gr Hammer's (3350 fps), the 143gr ELD-X (3000 fps) and the 156gr Berger's (2910 fps) per my rifles velocities and the ballistic calculations at my personal atmospheric conditions the bullets cross the 1800 FPS threshold at 900, 920, and 950 yards respectively. So even with the vastly superior BC's I gain at most an additional 50 yards of terminal performance but have a greatly increased chance of bullet failure under 300 yards. So for me the fragmenting mono's like the Hammer's would be the best bullet for the job.

 

[Fred3]

Honestly bullet cost in terms of hunting ammo is kind of irrelevant, I'm probably low compared to many members of this forum but if I spent $3 a bullet for the 28 big game animals I've killed in my 16 years of hunting it still wouldn't equal what my yearly hunting license costs. So the extra cost of the hammers is kind of a moot point, target shooting however is another matter entirely.

Additionally being a PA Hunter I unfortunately do not have the luxury of only hunting wide open spaces, my shots can range from 10 yards to 700 yards all on the walk back from my stand. Last year when I built my hunting rifle I did a full evaluation of cartridges, bullets and bullet performance for my personal needs for the places I hunt.

Based on that criteria the lower BC of the hammer bullets is offset by the fact that I do not have to worry about blow ups on close ranges shots like I would with a standard LR bullet design. After using the 143gr ELD-X out of my 6.5 Creedmoor two years ago and seeing their explosive tendency at a modest 2500 fps impact velocity I decided to look at lighter mono's when I switched to the 6.5 PRC due to the higher velocity.

Now if we look at the 124gr Hammer's (3350 fps), the 143gr ELD-X (3000 fps) and the 156gr Berger's (2910 fps) per my rifles velocities and the ballistic calculations at my personal atmospheric conditions the bullets cross the 1800 FPS threshold at 900, 920, and 950 yards respectively. So even with the vastly superior BC's I gain at most an additional 50 yards of terminal performance but have a greatly increased chance of bullet failure under 300 yards. So for me the fragmenting mono's like the Hammer's would be the best bullet for the job.

I practice with what I use to kill.
I shot between 2500 and 5,000 rounds a year conservatively. Cost figures into my bullet selection.
I agree that hammers are fine bullets they just aren't the best for LR.
I also believe your number are off as a 123 scenar has a higher bc than a 124 hammer and in the same weight class the scenar wins.
If you want to eat to the hole that's a different discussion.