Hammer bullets WTH

[fruitnut]

Guys often say they want bullets that don't cause blood shot meat and don't ruin meat. But then wonder why they don't kill as well. Others complain that Berger and the like cause too much damage. Hit the lungs and the gut contents make a mess of everything. Maybe we can't have it all.

Maybe I need to try the Federal Terminal accent. Get the Berger effect from the lead up front and the penetration from the copper rear portion.

 

[jessej]

bullet is running 3220 FPS!

Thats a purty stout load

 

[Jon Bischof]

If you choose a tough hard mono bullet, you should expect it to behave like a tough mono bullet. It did exactly what it was designed to do in this case. The petals peel and the shank penetrates deeply and usually exits. That's what it is designed to do.
That's the strength of monos but also the weakness.
Being a contrarian and a perfectionist isn't easy. That's why even though monos are well suited to larger game, for Whitetail they are not my preferred bullet.
But then neither are explosive fragmenting bullets. For Whitetail I want a bullet in between those two ends of the terminal performance spectrum. So, as an example of that, Accubond or an appropriately sized Speer/Fusion bullet for Whitetail. I think something like that may be what the OP is wanting.

 

[RH300UM]

If you were running a business and a total stranger asked how to you process your raw materials to achieve the end product I'm sure you would send them that information ASAP.
Come on Man, think about that.

I'm not asking for the manufacture process. Asking if
1- is there a QC process for incoming raw stock?
2- is it tested for hardness/softness
3- are samples (if taken) all sizes of stock
4- are samples ( if taken) random or set number before manufacture of the the product takes place.

It's not top secret industry information!
It's a basic concept to understand and know about a process that can be used and that "basic" information can be communicated to the consumers.

 

[Roughrice]

My favorites:
Hot Cor, Fusion, Interlock, Partition, Ballistic Tip, Accubond, ABLR... ===

Oh...look! 4 out of 7 are Nosler!! Hmmm.....Just sayin.

 

[hydehunter]

Ok

yes I've been hunting all day and I'm not sitting in front of a screen judging things that I know nothing about like many. If you didn't marry your high school sweetheart there's probably 4 or 5 guys who didn't like your wife.
If you have not killed anything with these bullets PM each other please.
So far I've been very disappointed in these bullets. I'm not a copper fan but these grouped the best at 1000 than any others I had shot. I know the guys who build these bullets have thousands of rounds and hours in them . They hit where I aimed and they blew straight through with a pretty big exit wound.if that's what they are supposed to do great .
Just nothing fell dead like I'm use to.
I knew most would not agree but it reminded me the first time I walked through the cow pasture with my dad and he said don't kick the wet ones he was right . Thanks have a good evening!

sounds like you want your cake and eat it to, doesn't work that way in the real world sh-t happens get over it. I have shot from a small whitetail to cape buffalo with Hammer Bullets and am very happy with them and will use them this year for Buffalo again

 

[CRP003]

So the bullets didn't transfer the energy and punched a hole? Delayed expansion.

 

[WapitiBob]

Here's some food for thought
When this manufacturer was asked (by me in email form) what the QC process is for incoming raw stock?
Is it checked for hardness? Is it checked for alloy content? Is each size checked? What is the process?
Is there a process between materials suppliers and manufacturers ( ie, with steel suppliers there are grade and heat numbers for each item) .

Yes I have seen and had issues and it is why I asked

No response a year later.

Ever heard of Material Certifications? They come from the mill and accompany every shipment of material he gets. Some of your other questions are none of the publics business.

 

[RH300UM]

Ever heard of Material Certifications? They come from the mill and accompany every shipment of material he gets. Some of your other questions are none of the publics business.

Yes I know
I am in the Steel business as a QC manager
Hence the line of question's
That's your opinion on the public's business it's not mine.
If a customer asks me for standards and "basic" processes for QC I answer them
You want to accept the product with no expectation of quality or questions that's your way. It's not mine.
When I have a set of issues/problems from a product I want to find solutions. Part of that process is eliminating potential issues from the manufacture.
Extremely simple line of logic.
Most times it's a productive process.

 

[1raggedhole]

There's an old axiom that may apply here: At what point in the death of your quarry did you experience projectile failure?

 

[Petey308]

Personally, I believe in: "There's what kills, and what kills well".

I prefer a bullet that is not more so dependent upon perfect shot placement or everything else going right. I prefer a bullet that is forgiving and still performs well when things don't go as planned.

There's always more to the death than death simply occurring, alone. If his shot placement was crap, but the animal still died relatively quick and very effectively made up for the shot placement error by creating wide wounding and a large amount of shock, that's a good bullet.

Conversely, if the shot placement was great, impact velocity was well within the limitations of the particular bullet, and every other box checked, yet the animal still ran and died much slower than desired, even with follow up shots, that leaves more to be desired. It just does. Does it mean it's a bad bullet? Not necessarily, because anomalies do still happen. It's when this sort of thing happens with frequency with this bullet or type of bullet that it becomes an issue we can tie to the bullet rather than other things.

The bottom line here is that I don't think it's right to dismiss the concerns of the OP, nor do I think it's right to flat out say it's a bad bullet based solely on this experience. Both may be true, but we should be willing to explore both possibilities, rationally and logically, rather than point fingers and jump to the wrong conclusions and getting emotional with responses.

There's even arguments going on with side tangents lol.

Certainly we can do better.

 

[Raudy707]

The thing about wild game animals is they all die differently. I've killed at least two dozen animals with Bergers, Nosler Partition, Accubonds, Ballistic Tips, Hornady Interlock, Barnes x bullets and Speer Deep Curl bullets. Some drop on the spot, but most do run a or walk a bit before expiring. Bang flops typically only happen if there is a CNS impact. Double lung and heart shots all death run or baby step a bit then tip over or bulldozer into the dirt. I do feel the Copper at lower velocity or without appropriate twist rates kill slower. Since the California lead ban I've been searching for copper that kills like lead. That search has settled me on Hammers and McGuire Ballistics. In 257 and 277 cal McGuire has some great BC's for the standard twist rifles. Those are the calibers I typically shoot in CA. Maybe send your parameters and autopsy photos to Hammer guys. I'm sure you all can figure out why it didn't perform to your standards. The knee jerk reaction of saying never again will I use a bullet is too emotional at this point. Come at it from a scientific perspective and maybe yeah it's not the bullet for you in the long run but at least we can understand why. Good luck in the quest.

 

[RH300UM]

Come at it from a scientific perspective and maybe yeah it's not the bullet for you in the long run but at least we can understand why.

Bingo ^^^^^

 

[Petey308]

Bang flops typically only happen if there is a CNS impact.

Exactly. In order for them to drop on impact, or very short after, is due to the CNS shutting down. That takes a particular shot placement and a particular amount of energy being transferred to the brain stem as a result of the nervous system being overloaded. It doesn't have to be an impact close to the actual brain stem. There are multiple nerve plexuses in the body.

The animal still needs to bleed out from sufficient wounding too, otherwise they tend to eventually recover from the knockout.

Certain bullet types and types of construction/design do create a more of that energy transfer and create bang flops more often than other bullet constructions/designs, even with shot placement not being so perfect for it.

I've been led to believe certain new tipped Hammers are struggling with this versus other designs.