nksmfamjp
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It was definitely an interesting podcast. There was definitely more right than wrong in it. To me the only things he didn't cover well were:
Over-expansion - basically some folks prove through gel testing, experience and I've seen on game where a bullet hit the shoulder knuckle or hip knuckle…..ball joint and the bullet lacks toughness causing like 1/2 to 3/4 to disintegrate, blow up, over expand, become lead dust, use your own words, it is gone. Then a piece weighing 20-30% tries to go further causing minimal tissue damage. These 3 legged animals can go a long way….ask me how I know!
Non-expansion - Some match bullets, I can't tell you which ones, maybe older designs, maybe new, you decide…..will pencil through and basically create a caliber sized hole. Not every shot. For example, Berger's should expand due to thin jackets, air behind the nose, etc, but some times fold and tumble with minimal wounding effect..maybe good enough, but not always. So, why do some bullets tumble, especially at 1500-1800fps?
Tumbling effectiveness - sometimes this is a killer, sometimes not. Why?
800yds on game…..can he really put 10 shots in a row from stepping out of the truck into a pie plate? Few can….from field positions. I'm really not doubting him, but I hear this talked about in the same condescending tone all over…..like, "are you an idiot? You can't just step out and kill an antelope at 800?" Often sited are Benchrest or Fclass shooters who ….step out with proven loads….shoot 1-10 sighters, then shoot good, not great groups for score. I think Eric Cortina was even quoted saying 1 moa all day every day would win F class. Benchrest guys shoot amazing with 50 lb rifles, perfect rests and yep, 1-25 sighters before the score shots. My point is, first shot to 800 is hugely different than second shot to 800.
Bullets turning off course - why do some, many bullets turn 30-40 degrees off course expanding? This is why I like pretty mushroom hunting bullets. Those don't make a right turn off a heavy bone.
Over-expansion - basically some folks prove through gel testing, experience and I've seen on game where a bullet hit the shoulder knuckle or hip knuckle…..ball joint and the bullet lacks toughness causing like 1/2 to 3/4 to disintegrate, blow up, over expand, become lead dust, use your own words, it is gone. Then a piece weighing 20-30% tries to go further causing minimal tissue damage. These 3 legged animals can go a long way….ask me how I know!
Non-expansion - Some match bullets, I can't tell you which ones, maybe older designs, maybe new, you decide…..will pencil through and basically create a caliber sized hole. Not every shot. For example, Berger's should expand due to thin jackets, air behind the nose, etc, but some times fold and tumble with minimal wounding effect..maybe good enough, but not always. So, why do some bullets tumble, especially at 1500-1800fps?
Tumbling effectiveness - sometimes this is a killer, sometimes not. Why?
800yds on game…..can he really put 10 shots in a row from stepping out of the truck into a pie plate? Few can….from field positions. I'm really not doubting him, but I hear this talked about in the same condescending tone all over…..like, "are you an idiot? You can't just step out and kill an antelope at 800?" Often sited are Benchrest or Fclass shooters who ….step out with proven loads….shoot 1-10 sighters, then shoot good, not great groups for score. I think Eric Cortina was even quoted saying 1 moa all day every day would win F class. Benchrest guys shoot amazing with 50 lb rifles, perfect rests and yep, 1-25 sighters before the score shots. My point is, first shot to 800 is hugely different than second shot to 800.
Bullets turning off course - why do some, many bullets turn 30-40 degrees off course expanding? This is why I like pretty mushroom hunting bullets. Those don't make a right turn off a heavy bone.
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