BigJohnH
Well-Known Member
After calculating what you said in your first post the air temp and altitude had no effect on the bullet at 100yds, at 1000yds yes.
Difference in altitude and humidity are probably the biggest culprits but temperature would be a factor too I'd imagine. You also have to remember while your cartridge powder is very temp stable everything else is affected by temp too. Barrels shoot different as they heat up so a 40 degree difference in barrel, case, etc temp could affect it too.I drove out here with the gun in the back of an SUV...padded, hard, Pelican case
I'm using RL23 powder which is supposed to be very stable.
I'm sure that the environmental changes mean something but I didn't think it would at only 100yards
Hello Fellas,
I am shooting a 7mm Rem Mag 175gr Accubond Lr at 2,850fps.
I sighted in at a 100yard indoor range at 80 degrees in NY at sea level.
I am now in Kansas at 2,100 ft above sea level, in a light drizzle, with 40 degree temp.
So here in Kansas, I fired a 5 shot group at 100 yards and found that my bullets were sub 1/2 MOA just like they were when I sighted in NY but the group was 1" low and 1/2" left.
Do you all think that the difference in weather and altitude caused the POI change?
My gun was in a hard Pelican case so I know that it didn't get banged off zero.
What do you all think?
Yes, its normal. You're higher, air density is lower and temperature is lower. Whenever you change altitudes by more than 1000 feet, there will be a change in impact. I live here in Colorado at 7000 feet, and hunt at between 8 and 9000 feet. I verify my rifles at the hunting site to insure they're still on target because there's a big difference in air density between 7000 and 8000 feet. Also, the higher you get, the faster the air density/air pressure drops. You can verify this by running your bullet, velocity, G1 BC and bullet weight through a ballistic trajectory calculator and simply changing the elevation figures. The drift left may have been wind, which was always a factor in Kansas when I was stationed there at Fort Riley. There always seemed to be an east or west wind blowing at 8 to 10 mph, and that may be what you had. You'd get about a 1/2 in drift from that. Just for grins, I ran your bullet and velocity at sea level, and at 2500 feet. There's about a + 25 fps change in average velocity, which could be why you saw a shift in impact. The bullets got there faster so they impacted low (slightly).Hello Fellas,
I am shooting a 7mm Rem Mag 175gr Accubond Lr at 2,850fps.
I sighted in at a 100yard indoor range at 80 degrees in NY at sea level.
I am now in Kansas at 2,100 ft above sea level, in a light drizzle, with 40 degree temp.
So here in Kansas, I fired a 5 shot group at 100 yards and found that my bullets were sub 1/2 MOA just like they were when I sighted in NY but the group was 1" low and 1/2" left.
Do you all think that the difference in weather and altitude caused the POI change?
My gun was in a hard Pelican case so I know that it didn't get banged off zero.
What do you all think?
Hello Fellas,
I am shooting a 7mm Rem Mag 175gr Accubond Lr at 2,850fps.
I sighted in at a 100yard indoor range at 80 degrees in NY at sea level.
I am now in Kansas at 2,100 ft above sea level, in a light drizzle, with 40 degree temp.
So here in Kansas, I fired a 5 shot group at 100 yards and found that my bullets were sub 1/2 MOA just like they were when I sighted in NY but the group was 1" low and 1/2" left.
Do you all think that the difference in weather and altitude caused the POI change?
My gun was in a hard Pelican case so I know that it didn't get banged off zero.
What do you all think?
Yes 100%! The factors that affect trajectory specifically are altitude ( better known as barometric pressure, temperature and grains of moisture! I live in Colorado and zero at 5,298 ft at 80 degrees, I hunt above 10,000 feet at 20 to -15 degrees. Those differences can be as much as 9" to 14" differences. That is why most hunters in this types of conditions are now dialing adjustment based of of ballistics apps. A couple of good application are Applied Ballistics, StrelokPro Pro (my go to), BallisticsARC, BullitDrop+ and Shooter. I have all and have done extensive testing and have found StrelokPro to be the most accurate when tethered to a Kerstal D3 Drop weather meter.Hello Fellas,
I am shooting a 7mm Rem Mag 175gr Accubond Lr at 2,850fps.
I sighted in at a 100yard indoor range at 80 degrees in NY at sea level.
I am now in Kansas at 2,100 ft above sea level, in a light drizzle, with 40 degree temp.
So here in Kansas, I fired a 5 shot group at 100 yards and found that my bullets were sub 1/2 MOA just like they were when I sighted in NY but the group was 1" low and 1/2" left.
Do you all think that the difference in weather and altitude caused the POI change?
My gun was in a hard Pelican case so I know that it didn't get banged off zero.
What do you all think?
Okay, I just went to the FM23-40 Sniper Training manual to refresh my memory. With a 7.62X51 round traveling at about 2600fps and a BC of 530, which would be comparable to your BC, a change of 2500 feet in altitude results in a change of about .5moa in impact upward. A change of 20degrees in temperature is a change of 1moa with the colder temperature meaning a downward change(1moa low). You were shooting at 2500 feet higher altitude and 40 degree colder conditions. You've got a 250fps advantage in velocity with the same or very close to the same BC. The change in impact due to altitude would be about 1/2 to 3/4 moa, and due to the temperature, about 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 moa lower. So 1 inch low at 2500 feet and 40degrees colder is about right. The impact left was almost certainly either mirage or wind drift, which shows up with even a 5 mile per hour wind. And there's always wind in Kansas. A 10 mph wind at 2500 feet and 40 degrees temperature would have drifted your round around 0.6 inches at 100 yards, according to the JBM ballistics calculator. The Shooters Calculator gives a wind drift at that altitude and temperature for a 10mph cross wind of 0.59 inches. I think the difference is due to a combination of altitude and temperature, with a little crosswind thrown in.Hello Fellas,
I am shooting a 7mm Rem Mag 175gr Accubond Lr at 2,850fps.
I sighted in at a 100yard indoor range at 80 degrees in NY at sea level.
I am now in Kansas at 2,100 ft above sea level, in a light drizzle, with 40 degree temp.
So here in Kansas, I fired a 5 shot group at 100 yards and found that my bullets were sub 1/2 MOA just like they were when I sighted in NY but the group was 1" low and 1/2" left.
Do you all think that the difference in weather and altitude caused the POI change?
My gun was in a hard Pelican case so I know that it didn't get banged off zero.
What do you all think?
If your gun didn't get banged around then that's the reason for the change in POI, adjust to your area of hunting and get it zeroed to where you want it and it's repeatable and your good.Hello Fellas,
I am shooting a 7mm Rem Mag 175gr Accubond Lr at 2,850fps.
I sighted in at a 100yard indoor range at 80 degrees in NY at sea level.
I am now in Kansas at 2,100 ft above sea level, in a light drizzle, with 40 degree temp.
So here in Kansas, I fired a 5 shot group at 100 yards and found that my bullets were sub 1/2 MOA just like they were when I sighted in NY but the group was 1" low and 1/2" left.
Do you all think that the difference in weather and altitude caused the POI change?
My gun was in a hard Pelican case so I know that it didn't get banged off zero.
What do you all think?
Hello Fellas,
I am shooting a 7mm Rem Mag 175gr Accubond Lr at 2,850fps.
I sighted in at a 100yard indoor range at 80 degrees in NY at sea level.
I am now in Kansas at 2,100 ft above sea level, in a light drizzle, with 40 degree temp.
So here in Kansas, I fired a 5 shot group at 100 yards and found that my bullets were sub 1/2 MOA just like they were when I sighted in NY but the group was 1" low and 1/2" left.
Do you all think that the difference in weather and altitude caused the POI change?
My gun was in a hard Pelican case so I know that it didn't get banged off zero.
What do you all think?
Post #3?All these responses, and no one has mentioned the drizzle as a (possible) cause?