Gday David h
Great post yep I like failures & recovered pills is where the great stuff does show
Yours first class
Moving forward
contrary to some people's beliefs this is not a common occurrence with hammers & they are confusing it with other issues
on them a % base it's way less than other brands of similar type ( eg hp varieties )
Especially once we add the various velocity impacts & various resistances into the equation yes the whole package ( I acknowledge some issues exist ) & that includes finding out why this has occurred & hopefully clears one's head first before reading on
Now I hope the following explains a little more on where some would be advised to examine a pill to qualify it as behaving exactly the same on results & if it does your a long way forward of understanding that a weakness has been found in those combos or worse still in that particular brand & then as a hunter it is easy fixed & can relay the information to the company & other hunters so they don't experience or @ a minimum know what they are up against eg a classic is stay off bone
so please
@adam32+P i would like to see those other bullets you referenced as then you will see the pattern & im not having a go it's I would like clarity so I & others may avoid this from occurring in the future as I've only witnessed a couple of instances the same as the op failed pill where the other instances occurred in the transition zone & id believe your in that area not the one that's happened here to the op well not the number your quoting & I'll leave alone for now if you are correct & apologise in advance if so
To everyone on the op's question of will the hht give better expansion than the hh line all in all I'm extremely doubtful on this exact same scenario ( if you could) except a hht to preform well instead of the poor hh
you will still have a failure regardless of pill in this instance it's not the pills fault on this one the later scenario of pictures to come will give a indication why the hht is superior hands down over the hh line
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So it's not when it goes right it's the bad we should address BUT here lies the issue
Some just don't like either a person /company or whatever & you even see this once again in this thread
So until those stop the bull crap & look @ actual results that are factional
We won't get to the core or is it the cards have been layed out already
I hope not
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let's look @ this pill & it stares you in the face what it's done , with 6.5saum/300rum picking it up first so we'll done sir your observation is top notch & others that also picked it up on the first occasion they saw it
Yep I tip my hat to you guys look @ the meplat or more importantly the direction the copper has flowed in
Look @ this meplat
Oh & heaven forbid it's another hammer
Does one see a difference
I hope so but let's put some more up oh& all hammers again
& these are full image so it hopefully helps ( as no zooming in is needed & no distortion
) to understand that ea of those hammer bullets have a flaw & until one addresses those different flaws ( weaknesses as I usually call them ) you can't understand what has occurred let alone fix by relaying the correct information to the company in this case hammer
I see the horse before the cart with a few here so no worries on that just refocus your energy to why it's occurred or occurring & learn while helping others along the journey of understanding a bit more
Where this is so good you have the recovered pill to learn from
Start there & work backwards is what I do
Find out why & you will potentially fix the issue or if the company won't do anything if it's their issue it's time to move on or put a Band-Aid over it if it's ours or if one continues to use @all
if we can spot the difference ( I don't want to derail & I started this path on another thread which I would happily continue if one can actually not talk brand & look @ the system as that is when one knows who knows what not just by assuming a pill will do this due to broaching or not
Once again clear one's head plus look into the transition zone enough said on that
Now under standing those you will go a long way to understanding what has potentially occurred no guarantees totally get that but when the op pic clearly states a tumbling pill & yes you can have a tumbling pill enter straight one shot the next key hole next 1/2 way between etc now tumbling terminal wound channels also vary greatly & why straightline penetration is a more consistent killer than a tumbling pill ( broadly speaking again as a straight line pencil wound dosent kill well )
Yet I'll give sometimes a tumbling pill is simply amazing @ killing others is pitiful as in this case it's not a brand thing it's the system
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I have stated before I will call BS when I see it regardless of who or what it is
Which obviously rubs some the wrong way but tough luck as I was over ***** footing around it many years ago
I just tone it down here vrs from real life just ask Steve how blunt I can be with his bullets .
I'm here to help where I can & learn along the way but when BS like this is put up
Yep I am worried that the new comers especially may go oh it's ok that guy said & he seems reputable & hey presto we have a bad outcome that is aside from the ones that do happen out of our control no we don't need to promote what one dosent know
Now the deflection part that's come up
Aron may I suggest you retract those words on a deflection & no concern from your part post #76 is the culprit
That to me I'll call straight out BS as in my belief ( factual evidence) deflection is a lot like tumbling broadly speaking it's worse in actuals but let's also see what numbers your quoting as enough for a reliable indicator so is it in the 100's or 10's I don't need actual on them rough will suffice then with that same pill on those numbers also again & repeat across all of those pills & numbers
here's some basics for you to consider also before you go sprooking things that will get newcomers in a bind
Buff horns are not like trees etc so please don't interpret on things you know nothing about
But the most important thing for you to understand is
The weight of the pill the shape of the pill & to a lessor extent the speed of the pill along with the resistance & angle that the moment that pill impacts you see varying result's depending on what is impacted & twigs of 1/4 in do cause issues along with leaves yes even leaves will deflect a bullet enough to cause gut shots
Now this is one I started to gather information on way back in 1997 on why some pills behave like they do on certain things now I stopped those trials roughly in 2000 ish revisited around 2014 for 2 years & only in the last 6 months have I started once again ( nothing in the last 3 of those as my body couldn't but mind hasn't stopped ticking & question asked to the ones I respect ) as I need a pill that will resist deflection to the best one can achieve & we have some good pills already but the bar can definitely be raised imo & im trying to find this out & one I would like to achieve
Now I'm not going to bore anyone with the finer details yet as it's unfinished but this is one that I will show here for everyone to see along with my home forum members as you have prompted me to speak up & why it's important for the new comers to our sport to understand it's not a high probability shot regardless of a pill
& before you ( if ) you answer me on that , may I also suggest you go & talk to mark first on what I do know & about what as I don't go around quoting things Willy nilly
Yes I'll let him fill you in on my poker hands but no bluff this side of the table
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I'm sorry that post of mine went on & leave it with this
Find out why this occurred to the op & yep total failure & then you all on lrh may move forward but time will tell & one I hope happens as I know a lot of good people here & new comers that need guidance ( myself included)
taking this anti stance some have it's toxic & your loosing to many good ones
I will show those deflection results when completed it's actually quite astounding & a pattern has emerged already ( around 2014/5 I really saw it ) but the pills of tomorrow may just be the ones we need to use for those situations
but it's fun seeing it play out & hoping it works out as anotherpill to our arsenal
I lastly apologise if this is taken as abrasive & if anyone knows how I can approach on a different level please let me know a pm would probably be better to not derail anymore
Cheers