Bull Elk. Berger 195 EOL terminal performance video.

[Barehandlineman11]

Id have to disagree, never seen a big bull physically able to move with broken shoulder, i have seen them run off heart blown out and both lungs gone. If i watch them tip over i know what happened

 

[Barehandlineman11]

In the end do what works for you. Elk are tough. Dont do more then you or your gun is capable of hence creedmoor doing 1000 on elk. Only time i take 1000 plus yard shot is if bull is in the open no cows around

 

[Calvin45]

I killed 3 mature muleys and that elk with 195's @3030fps. From 30 yards to 540 yards and never got an exit. Yes, I shot a buck at 30 yards in the timber, perfectly broadside and no exit. But he didn't make it far as you could imagine lol.

It's funny sometimes what exits and what doesn't…I've hit a whitetail buck not give an exit with a 220 hornady round nose out of a .300 win mag, I think 2800 or so fps. 70 yards in a clearing quartering away from me pursuing a doe, no idea I was there. Instantly died, collapsed and skidded a ways cuz he was running when it hit. But never twitched once. Didn't hit a single bone is the real crazy part, entered the paunch and traversed the entire body cavity, the bullet broke in half at the cannelure on impact (which does not
Inspire confidence for stuff like big bear defence which I know some people promote these heavy round noses for) and gave two wound channels, both chunks of bullet up against the shoulder bone of the off side but not breaking it. If there was ever such a thing as "hydraulic shock" surely this is it, big soft round nose at over 2600 impact velocity with no exit…

 

[WYO300RUM]

Thats a game changer after a shot 95% of the time. I've done it a few times and it didn't even phase the animal. All the shots were thru the ribs or lower heart shots where the call helped stopped or slow the animal down. When there hit in shoulder or heavier built frontal areas, it doesn't seem to work as well ( at least for me). They know there hit and pain is present unlike when the arrow goes clean thru. When that happens I really don't think they know what happened. That's my perspective on the scenario

I don't think they know what happened when an arrow goes through them either. Animals don't feel pain like we do. Their adrenaline flows and they go into survival mode and run. I don't think they have time to feel the pain even when heart or lungs shut down. The brain is the last thing alive. Unless that's where it gets shot. There are no nerves in the brain so either way a brain shot is painless . I'm sure if an animal gets shot in a non vital area it has time to feel pain like we do.

 

[WYO300RUM]

It's funny sometimes what exits and what doesn't…I've hit a whitetail buck not give an exit with a 220 hornady round nose out of a .300 win mag, I think 2800 or so fps. 70 yards in a clearing quartering away from me pursuing a doe, no idea I was there. Instantly died, collapsed and skidded a ways cuz he was running when it hit. But never twitched once. Didn't hit a single bone is the real crazy part, entered the paunch and traversed the entire body cavity, the bullet broke in half at the cannelure on impact (which does not
Inspire confidence for stuff like big bear defence which I know some people promote these heavy round noses for) and gave two wound channels, both chunks of bullet up against the shoulder bone of the off side but not breaking it. If there was ever such a thing as "hydraulic shock" surely this is it, big soft round nose at over 2600 impact velocity with no exit…

What brand bullet ?

 

[WYO300RUM]

Shoot big and aim for shoulders they cant run with broken limbs

On elk with Barnes and Accubonds in my 300 Rum I have always aimed front shoulder if broadside . Have never had one not drop right there. It wouldn't be my first choice with a 215 Berger though but if I had to I would. I'd be more apprehensive with lighter calibers on shoulder but have busted them down with 7 mm Rem Mag.. But again it was Barnes bullets.

 

[WYO300RUM]

I want them standing after the first round, this lets me see what happened and if there is going to be an issue. Back when I tried to bounce them of the dirt we spent far more time looking for elk that just had the spine shocked and dropped out of sight. I want to watch them the few seconds they are on their feet so I can see where they go down. I have not had to track a single elk hit in the crease that flops over from low blood pressure. If you want to drive an elks adrenaline up and give them the will to live break bones then throw it on full auto, they seen to soak up rounds but blow a fist sized hole over the heart and though the lungs first round and it's done, fast!!

I shot a cow elk almost straight down from treestand at less than ten yards. Hit her in the spine above shoulders. She laid flat on the ground in running motion. I felt very sad. I put one in her heart and turned my back until she was dead. I have spined 4 deer in the last 2 years. They don't die from it. They just go down but are still alive when you get to them. I hate it. I usually stick my knife in their heart and scramble it. It bothers me for days after. I've had to do it more than a few times before that also. When I was young and dumb and used to shoot them again and waste more meat. I love eating heart but not to let an animal suffer. I don't even want a coyote, squirrel, rabbit, crow , goose, duck or even a bug suffer. I got soft in my old age but I don't have problem pulling the trigger. That's what I'm there to do. I know where and when to put a bullet or arrow. It's worked for me. Trust me, there's no one way to kill anything that walks and breathes ...

 

[VLD Pilot]

I don't think they know what happened when an arrow goes through them either. Animals don't feel pain like we do. Their adrenaline flows and they go into survival mode and run. I don't think they have time to feel the pain even when heart or lungs shut down. The brain is the last thing alive. Unless that's where it gets shot. There are no nerves in the brain so either way a brain shot is painless . I'm sure if an animal gets shot in a non vital area it has time to feel pain like we do.

Hard to say. When one gets hit hard on the shoulder only getting into the vitals and not a pass thru, I believe they definitely feel it because the animals I've killed with a hit in that area never stopped or even slowed up when I blew the cow call after the hit. Their body language really spelled blowing out from danger not just noise from a bow string stopping. They never feel the arrow thru the lungs or soft stuff when pass thru's happen.

 

[WeiserBucks]

I know where and when to put a bullet or arrow.

Then why do you need to stab them with a knife?

 

[WYO300RUM]

Hard to say. When one gets hit hard on the shoulder only getting into the vitals and not a pass thru, I believe they definitely feel it because the animals I've killed with a hit in that area never stopped or even slowed up when I blew the cow call after the hit. Their body language really spelled blowing out from danger not just noise from a bow string stopping. They never feel the arrow thru the lungs or soft stuff when pass thru's happen.

I believe the arrow part to be true. Just now thinking about it. Have you ever heard a deer or elk make any vocal sounds when shot ? Not screaming you shot me you sob but actual , I don't know the word for it but vocal pain noises like a hurt dog, coyote or hog makes. I haven't ever heard. I've heard fawns yell when chased by coyotes. I don't think on a good shot deer , elk, moose, bighorn, etc. have time to think about the pain.

 

[WYO300RUM]

Then why do you need to stab them with a knife?

To kill them .
Spine shots . Read what I said. I didn't say I shoot 100 % DRT. only 99 %

 

[VLD Pilot]

I believe the arrow part to be true. Just now thinking about it. Have you ever heard a deer or elk make any vocal sounds when shot ? Not screaming you shot me you sob but actual , I don't know the word for it but vocal pain noises like a hurt dog, coyote or hog makes. I haven't ever heard. I've heard fawns yell when chased by coyotes. I don't think on a good shot deer , elk, moose, bighorn, etc. have time to think about the pain.

No never any sounds after a hit. Either there easy to stop or slow down with a call or there all out heading out.

 

[WYO300RUM]

No never any sounds after a hit. Either there easy to stop or slow down with a call or there all out heading out.

I was just wondering. Never had thought about it.
Thanks !

 

[Raudy707]

I've seen similar reactions with other bullets too. I've shot somewhere around 30 moose in AK. Sometimes they go down fast, other times it's like they are not even hit. My first bull moose was shot at about 100 yards. I shot him 4 times with a 300 WM using 200 grain Nosler partitions. He sucked up all 4 and started to walk away. Then I seen the hind end take a dip and knew he was done. all but one moose was shot using those partitions. I shot just one using a 215 Berger at about 25 yards. He went down after running about 20 yards. Animals are sometimes slow to go down. The link shows one reacting similar to your elk. 200 nosler partition.

One thing for sure, at that quartering angle you shot him at it's a real good thing you were shooting a Partition! You could hear that impact and it was violent. Great job!