bigngreen
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Best rifle to progressively build?
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86alaskan
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I'd go for the savage or full on custom if you want to go all out. I've built up a couple savage actions and they're easy to work on. I've also found it very rewarding to spin up your own rifle from parts and then see it shine in the field. You can get cheaper barrels or go up to a proof carbon if you want. you can get top of the line fiberglass or chassis, or just a good HS or laminate. I'd say the real limiting factor in a savage build is trigger selection.
MudRunner2005
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I'm not trying to start a p!ssing-match, but I highly beg to differ. Have you handled a Salvage? The actions feel like it was finished with 120-grit sandpaper... Atleast the ones we used to sell did. We also sent back more Savage than ANY other brand hands-down, and we sold just about everything mass-produced. In all fairness, we sent back every brand, but more Savages than anything else. We also sent back a metric crap-tonne of Leupold scopes with defects.
I've owned plenty of Leupolds, they're good scopes, so I'm not knocking Leupolds or Savage, just stating facts of what transpired during my tenure there.
Shall we agree to disagree? I don't want to turn this thread into yet ANOTHER one of "those threads"... We all have our opinions and preferences. The 700 in factory-form is not perfect, and it's flaws have been pointed out MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY times before on the interwebz... But it is my preferred action, and my recommendation for where to start a build on a factory action, based on the number and plethora of available aftermarket parts for it.
bigngreen
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Just giving you a hard time!! Yes I have felt a Savage, I probably built 20+ last year, the bolt runs by tipping the action back and they glide back. I did have two Remington bolts that you could barely get the bolt to cycle they fit so bad, replace dozens of Remington bolt handles because they have zero primary extraction from the factory, there are guys making a living just fixing the bolt handle position for primary extraction on Remington actions. Both Rem and Savage are bottom of the action barrel!! Right now on budget builds, if the mag length works you will not beat a Tikka, straight actions with straight bolts, good primary extraction with excellent feeding and all the work in the world will not make a Rem or Savage run as smooth as a Tikka.
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L! Remington actions also keeps my gunsmiths gainfully employed, next to full custom action builds. gun)I don't have a Tikka (but I've cycled them) ... yet, but my SAKO M995 is a very smooth action like the Tikkas. Tikkas are also gaining popularity and after market support.
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A large aftermarket indicates common use and common perception of "problems".
Yes and your slip of the finger could apply to many of them
Just kidding. I have at least 2.
I am entertaining a career change. If this comes to pass, Remington would be my friend.L
I shoot Weatherby's and "custom". Though there are a couple Remingtons in there as well. Pew, pews.
Good luck! 50+ years and 5M+ made without any major change, you're bound see them your way. Cheers!
MudRunner2005
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Hell, I'm no expert, but I've seen them all with issues. The worst by-far was my InAccuMark I owned. But a close second was a Savage 110 with the Choate stock (back around 2002)... I wanted one, but we sent back about 4-5 in a month, and I decided to hell with that, and ordered another 700 Sendero SF...Which, to this day, still gets shot, and still shoots sub-1/2" with handloads.
I do have an "RR" S/N 700 (the problem model) 5R Milsepec .300 WinMag that when opening the bolt and getting ready to slide the bolt back, it acts like it's a bit stuck (almost like a ball bearing sitting in a seat to keep resistance on something), then it makes a clicking sound, as the bolt finally slides back easily after "popping" it loose with some force. Never shot the gun, but bought it new off the rack in 2014 for $100 bill (after trading in the InAccuMark ). Feels a bit odd, but I don't think it's a timing issue, probably the sear on the trigger has a burr on it or something, because it only started after I did a trigger swap (first time I've enountered this in the many 700's i've tinkered with). I'll probably just swap in a Timney later when I get ready to finally do something with it. Can't decide whether to build another rifle on it, or punch the chamber to .300 Ackley (to have a 2nd one), or...?
I do have an "RR" S/N 700 (the problem model) 5R Milsepec .300 WinMag that when opening the bolt and getting ready to slide the bolt back, it acts like it's a bit stuck (almost like a ball bearing sitting in a seat to keep resistance on something), then it makes a clicking sound, as the bolt finally slides back easily after "popping" it loose with some force. Never shot the gun, but bought it new off the rack in 2014 for $100 bill (after trading in the InAccuMark
). Feels a bit odd, but I don't think it's a timing issue, probably the sear on the trigger has a burr on it or something, because it only started after I did a trigger swap (first time I've enountered this in the many 700's i've tinkered with). I'll probably just swap in a Timney later when I get ready to finally do something with it. Can't decide whether to build another rifle on it, or punch the chamber to .300 Ackley (to have a 2nd one), or...?
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Fwiw, if you want to go the savage route there is a $100 rebate on the 16/116 weather warrior, stainless dbm with accustock. I've found them at very tempting prices. 5-600 before rebate. You could strip it and have a stainless action at next to nothing. You could be on the range a lot earlier than expected.
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My first Savage(other the a an old 300 Model 99, circa 1937), was the newly released LRH/110 in. 6.5x284. I had won it several years ago in an Egg Shoot that was sponsored by Savage. If it wasn't in 6.5x284 a I would have just sold it. Intrigued, I tried the same load that I used in my pet Cooper in 6.5x284. After a brief break in, it matched the shooting performance. Now about seven years and hundreds of rounds later, it still shoots .25 MOA or better. More importantly, it has held its zero all this time. Since then I have bought a Predator in 22-250, and an LRP in 260 Remington. They perform identically to the LRH. No modifications except for removing the pressure tabs in the fore end to fully float the barrel on the LRH, and a little contact area on the barrel channel of the Predator. All three have been heavily used. While not as pretty as my customs, they have been utterly reliable, and give up nothing in performance to my rifles costing +3x as much. Since the stocks fit me well, and the Accu-Triggers are very acceptable, I have found no need to "progressively" build these rifles. While I like my custom Remington's and continue to build them, (because it's usually necessary), the Savages are my well proven work horses.
After the FTF, clicks, I tore built down to clean. All measurements were good. 3 failures in around 150 is to much. Granted most 30-06s are lucky to see 10 a year.
I am tired of this rifle.
ohiohunter
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Well I'd have to say you are the very first person I've heard w/ problems as stated. Regardless of my opinion of savages, I'd say thats a **** good track record.
Actually there I'd one or two threads with problem with that gun on this site.
Protrusion was correct. I might fire 50 and fell morally acceptable to sell it.
Also checked head space.
70s 700 bolt never been apart for cleaning.
Plus they are sloppy for loading, long blind magazine, which has me loading cockeyed and stuck. Leupold scope bases cantalever over magazine making it very annoying to load.
Other scopes are ok. But Leupolds do not fit.
