Here is an update: The bad news is, I will no longer be seeking to obtain Bertram brass. The good news is, I will no longer be seeking to obtain Bertram brass! I can say this because I had a long and satisfying conversation with ADG. For those who are not aware, they are an up and coming company that caters to folks like us and are mostly made up of ex Remington employees who want to make GOOD brass. From what I have heard from those who have used it; they are doing just that! Some have said it is as good, or better, than Lapua! Another thing that I really like is that they are right here in the "Good 'ol USA. (Kentucky). They won't be starting the SAUM line until summer, but I am not sure I could have done better with Bertram anyway? Initially, I was a little disappointed that Bertram was not working out but after talking to ADG, I am more excited than ever! I will keep everyone posted as we move along.......Rich