Warbird2006
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I am sticking with Scirocco II or Barnes. Very versatile, always mushroom.
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I am sticking with Scirocco II or Barnes. Very versatile, always mushroom.
zb338
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I don't think that you are using a good bullet for the job. You need a more
strongly constructed bullet. Just because you killed the animal doesn't mean
you are shooting the right bullet. Hitting an animal with that high velocity
and a lightly constructed bullet is like throwing a hand grenade at it.
Zeke
strongly constructed bullet. Just because you killed the animal doesn't mean
you are shooting the right bullet. Hitting an animal with that high velocity
and a lightly constructed bullet is like throwing a hand grenade at it.
Zeke
codyadams
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Just figured I would throw this in here. This is a bull I shot last year with a Berger 140 vld hunting at 715 yards. Not a close range impact, but the average range of all the animals myself and my family shot this year is between 500 and 600 yards. As you can see, it did exit, the elk went down where it was hit at, and there is virtually ZERO bloodshot. Impact velocity was around 2200 if I recall. This is where these bullets shine.
Below is the entrance....
This is the exit....
And my Father and myself with my bull.
Below is the entrance....
This is the exit....
And my Father and myself with my bull.
From my experience the bullet blew up and took a lot of meat with it.
I forgot who posted it but he mentioned the tips on Bergers sometimes will be deformed.That's important as a bullet expands equally if the hollow point is perfect.
I had that with the old Barnes X bullet that had a hollow point and they too could be easily damaged and cause catastrophic damage.
I'll be looking for a tool that fixes that as I too shoot Barnes TTSX now and Berger's although I haven't used them for hunting yet.
Anyone knows what that tool is called?
I forgot who posted it but he mentioned the tips on Bergers sometimes will be deformed.That's important as a bullet expands equally if the hollow point is perfect.
I had that with the old Barnes X bullet that had a hollow point and they too could be easily damaged and cause catastrophic damage.
I'll be looking for a tool that fixes that as I too shoot Barnes TTSX now and Berger's although I haven't used them for hunting yet.
Anyone knows what that tool is called?
slv hunter
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You can use a meplat trimmer.
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VTbluegrass
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I shoot 130gr VLDs out of my 270win for the past several years. Think I am in the neighborhood of 15-20 whitetail deer with them and still haven't had a deer hold one. All pass through with good wound channels. I like them and they are very accurate and I've had nothing but great performance.
Berger hunting bullets are just match bullets. I don't care how many kills anyone has made with them.
SilverbulletMAG
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Joined in 2011 and this is the topic that brings you to your first post? Welcome.
You don't see a difference between the Target VLD and Hunting VLD?
bigngreen
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I've lost count how many animals we've cleanly taken bit jjust an example, probably 20+ antelope with 62 gr Berger varmint bullets from a 22-250 from 65 yards quartering to in the center of the shoulder to 630 yards and never have shot a second time and never not make it to the of side. A few antelope with 140's in 6.5 and 270 WSM, all one shot quick kills from 100 to I've 1000 yards. An antelope at 320 with a 300 gr otm from a RUM and one at 1114, both easy one shot kills though the long one is pushing it.
Deer, a plethora of whitetails with the 62 gr Berger in 22-250's all one shot kills through the chest with many exits an little movement. Many with the 140 6.5 and 270 cals all over the board on ranges, we used to roll up on a field of whitetail with 7 tags each and start punching deer, a few with a 215 Berger. All piled up!
Elk who knows how many well into the hundreds, a lot of 140 6.5 and 270 cal, I shot a lot in the shoulder early one to prove they would not work only to have them perform better than any other bullet I've shot, a cow I had hit once with the 140 Accubond kept going and the next one in the mag was a 140 Berger at 3300 fps, blew her heart to hamberger and ended under the hide with a 200 yard shot, another cow I ran the 140 at 3234 fps with my 6.5 heavy quartering through the center of the shoulder, blew the front of her chest out destroying the front of the lungs and ending in the of side mid way up her neck, she took two steps and cart wheeled 300 yards down hill dead. Many elk with the 140 in a 6.5x284, punch their ticket and go collect, every time. Since I started shooting Berger's I have fired one round at game per punched tag, over 10 year now. So many elk with the 215 from my 308, 300's and 30 Noslers, watching a bull take one and just shudder and buckle with a shot behind the shoulder is awesome and I never saw that through my scope running anything else!
The year I changed from Barnes to Berger was like I flipped a kill switch, everything was dying in sight with one shot, I was just single sledding rounds now, no more mag dumps on elk. Sadly I think I lost a lot more elk than I thought, lost way more meat to before switching to lethal bullets intead of what marketing calls hunting bullets.
Almost forgot my buddy shot a decent Alaska bull moose with a 140 in his 6.5x284 a few hundy out frontal shot, bullet jacked his lungs and ended up in the back flank, didn't drop him so the second round center of the neck breaking it clean and ending up under the hide naturally he traveled vertically.
Deer, a plethora of whitetails with the 62 gr Berger in 22-250's all one shot kills through the chest with many exits an little movement. Many with the 140 6.5 and 270 cals all over the board on ranges, we used to roll up on a field of whitetail with 7 tags each and start punching deer, a few with a 215 Berger. All piled up!
Elk who knows how many well into the hundreds, a lot of 140 6.5 and 270 cal, I shot a lot in the shoulder early one to prove they would not work only to have them perform better than any other bullet I've shot, a cow I had hit once with the 140 Accubond kept going and the next one in the mag was a 140 Berger at 3300 fps, blew her heart to hamberger and ended under the hide with a 200 yard shot, another cow I ran the 140 at 3234 fps with my 6.5 heavy quartering through the center of the shoulder, blew the front of her chest out destroying the front of the lungs and ending in the of side mid way up her neck, she took two steps and cart wheeled 300 yards down hill dead. Many elk with the 140 in a 6.5x284, punch their ticket and go collect, every time. Since I started shooting Berger's I have fired one round at game per punched tag, over 10 year now. So many elk with the 215 from my 308, 300's and 30 Noslers, watching a bull take one and just shudder and buckle with a shot behind the shoulder is awesome and I never saw that through my scope running anything else!
The year I changed from Barnes to Berger was like I flipped a kill switch, everything was dying in sight with one shot, I was just single sledding rounds now, no more mag dumps on elk. Sadly I think I lost a lot more elk than I thought, lost way more meat to before switching to lethal bullets intead of what marketing calls hunting bullets.
Almost forgot my buddy shot a decent Alaska bull moose with a 140 in his 6.5x284 a few hundy out frontal shot, bullet jacked his lungs and ended up in the back flank, didn't drop him so the second round center of the neck breaking it clean and ending up under the hide naturally he traveled vertically.
bigngreen
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Forgot the one 7 mag left anyone shoots, an one old with a rough barrel did cause 168 hunting's to open a bit more than we wanted so we loaded 168 Targets and it's been awesomeness since for elk and deer. The 338's are mostly reserved for distance 300's never failed to roll them but the 250's are like Thor's hammer and like packing a kill switch for elk!!
Doug Herold
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IMO, the VLD's at high speeds (> 3100 fps) tend to explode on impact rather than passing through while consistently shedding weight. Therefore, at close range, you would get an impact/bullet explosion and at distance, after the bullet slows down, you would expect a typical Berger performance. A lot of people have, therefore, gone to the Hybrid for this reason. At higher velocities they hold together and don't blow up on impact.
CanardNoir
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Why would one shoot a doe in the shoulder at 40 yards with any CF caliber?
