zog
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Swarovski's BT is not marked. Their clicks are not 1/4 MOA, they are .25"/100 yd. For example, see below at 700 yds, 11.000 MOA equals 46 clicks. If they were 1/4 MOA it would be 44 clicks.
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Ballistic Turret vs Hold Over Lines
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milo-2
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I think it was your post on clicks that caught my eye. So basically the Swaro uses IPHY or smoa instead of moa, that is a first for me I guess, only had read on iphy, did not know it was used today. I recall being around an older scope or 2 that someone said used it.
Not being a turd, but someone must really want to shoot that scope then w/o a marked turret, given that any app will calculate in IPHY. Maybe I am laughing at myself here also, when I got into LR shooting with a friend, NF exbal on my computer with printed dope sheets, and it gave clicks and moa readings. We opted for clicks and sat and counted them like blithering idiots. I recall saying, shut up so I can hear these clicks. I remember like yesterday when a guy asked us just *** are you 2 idiots doing, and explained it us. I just sat and played with the turret, a 10 moa rev NF, and saw how it was right there the whole time, especially to one full rev, just over 500 yards.
If it works for you, carry on, Swaro makes nice products.
PBR driver
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How close can you get?
I like shooting long range on Tgt's not on game.
I am capable of long range but at my age shooting 600+ yards means I have to walk/climb those 600+ yards.
I love stalking in close anyway.
I sight in 3" high @100 yards which means I can aim straight on an Elk and kill him at to 425 yards with no hold over.
Has worked for me for a long time now.
Coyote_Hunter
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Yep.....strong argument for a flat shooting cartridge and a 300 yard zero. Beyond 400 yrds, now it starts getting a little more "complicated"!memtb
Agreed. My .257 Roberts is the only rifle I have that has a turret, and that is for elevation only - when Leupold installed the Varmint reticle and elevation turret they found the VX-III was too old for a side turret. Was at the range yesterday verifying drops out to 600 using both the turret and the reticle. A range finder, turret and a well set up ballistic calculator provide me with more confidence past 400, but I've had hit rates as high as 40% on clay pigeons at 600 using reticles (.338WM and .30-06 before an elk hunt, 1 hit with each rifle, 5 shots total with 3-9x scopes).
I took a moose at almost 300 yards. Absolutely no time to dial. Luckily Moose is rather big, and the shot took out the very bottom of both lungs. Yes a little low, but I got lucky.
But my point is, no time to dial. I aimed a little high, not high enough. IMO, holdover lines are necessary.
300 yards, and the animal knows you're there. The animal is whiffing, and looking your direction, and slowing walking off. You just go with your gut instinct that you built with range time. Dialing is out of the question.
But my point is, no time to dial. I aimed a little high, not high enough. IMO, holdover lines are necessary.
300 yards, and the animal knows you're there. The animal is whiffing, and looking your direction, and slowing walking off. You just go with your gut instinct that you built with range time. Dialing is out of the question.
memtb
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Orange Dust
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Back before lasers we all used 3" high @100yds. This gives a 0 around 330 yds with most flat shooting magnums. Hold on his spine @400. I still use it, always have. With this you are always set up for a quick shot all the way to 400 yds. 400yds also is the maximum distance I can see a deer's legs moving when he is walking. Don't even need a laser to know. I range and dial for further and it works out fine. You should have time to get ready and plan for a long range shot. It just works. If you have the time it is always better to laser the animal before shooting it. Makes it easier to find where he was standing by lasering back if he runs.
I will bet if you took 75% of hunters out and put something at 400 yards and asked the how far without using a range finder they will be off by 50 yards or more.
Coyote_Hunter
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I use MPBR (Maximum Point Bank Range) zeros fr a 6" diameter target for all my rifles. This means that out to MPBR, the bullet will never be more than 3" above or below line of sight.
At 300 yards most of my rifles and loads will shoot a bit low. No biggie as even at 400 yards most will be in the kill zone for elk and deer with a hold on the shoulder. All my bolt rifles have scopes with drop compensating reticles, which allow me to hit at known (lasered) ranges out to 600 yards.
One rifle has a vertical turret, which I have verified out to 600 yards. Really haven't needed the turret as the BDC reticles are fast and accurate enough for game. It comes in handy when shooting clay pigeons on the 600-yard berm, though.
At 300 yards most of my rifles and loads will shoot a bit low. No biggie as even at 400 yards most will be in the kill zone for elk and deer with a hold on the shoulder. All my bolt rifles have scopes with drop compensating reticles, which allow me to hit at known (lasered) ranges out to 600 yards.
One rifle has a vertical turret, which I have verified out to 600 yards. Really haven't needed the turret as the BDC reticles are fast and accurate enough for game. It comes in handy when shooting clay pigeons on the 600-yard berm, though.
Ingwe
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FWIW: I like to think that I have the best of both worlds with my setup.
I DO have a Ballistic Dialing Turret on my rifle but while I'm out hunting I leave it set on 300 yards, knowing that it will be plus or minus 3 inches from zero to approx 360 yards.
if I have time to range I will dial the turret, if not I know my trajectory and that I am pretty much good for point of aim our to 400yds
I DO have a Ballistic Dialing Turret on my rifle but while I'm out hunting I leave it set on 300 yards, knowing that it will be plus or minus 3 inches from zero to approx 360 yards.
if I have time to range I will dial the turret, if not I know my trajectory and that I am pretty much good for point of aim our to 400yds
