Badlands Precision Bullets thread - From BC to terminal ballistics

codyadams said:
Wow, news to me, that's crazy...

George and his wife are the main owner/s and CEO. Not sure if he had part ownership, and how that is going to play out for the business. I'll try to contact him and get his thoughts on the business, if he will speak on it.
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Man this comes as a shock to me. I've talked with Jason many times in person and he always seemed like a good dude. Hopefully George can keep the business rolling.
 
SoDak338Lap said:
Man this comes as a shock to me. I've talked with Jason many times in person and he always seemed like a good dude. Hopefully George can keep the business rolling.
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He's not guilty yet. Even considering how bad this is, even with people who are accused of murder. Innocent until proven guilty. Extremely important.
I'm not defending what he may or may not have done, but I think a lot of people are more aware the power the government has to go after something that may or may not have happened and not actually care about the truth. As my attorney friend says, I could get a jury to indict a ham sandwich.
Don't want this to get political or wildly off track. So, done with that.
 
akmtnhnt said:
He's not guilty yet. Even considering how bad this is, even with people who are accused of murder. Innocent until proven guilty. Extremely important.
I'm not defending what he may or may not have done, but I think a lot of people are more aware the power the government has to go after something that may or may not have happened and not actually care about the truth. As my attorney friend says, I could get a jury to indict a ham sandwich.
Don't want this to get political or wildly off track. So, done with that.
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I agree, this isn't the place to make those judgements or calls. This may sound insensitive, but to keep this thread on track, my concerns are simply about the future of the company. All other issues surrounding this matter would likely be better discussed in a different thread, or more likely, a different platform. Thank you to those that posted the news, for informational purposes.
 
codyadams said:
I agree, this isn't the place to make those judgements or calls. This may sound insensitive, but to keep this thread on track, my concerns are simply about the future of the company. All other issues surrounding this matter would likely be better discussed in a different thread, or more likely, a different platform. Thank you to those that posted the news, for informational purposes.
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This is what I'm concerned about as well. I just found out about their bullets yesterday and then that came up shortly after. I was liking what I saw and want to work with those bullets, but it's not worth the time and money if they are not going to be around.

Those high BC's really change what you can do with a gun. Provided terminal performance is there, and so far it sure seems like it is, though most of the photos I've seen look like they're in a 338 or a 308, not a lot on the 264 or 284 size.
 
Ok, I got a chance to talk to George, had a good long conversation with him about many things related to the business. I am employed in the Justice system, and will preface this with a reminder of how our justice system functions, all people are innocent unless proven guilty.

First things first, nothing major is going to change with the business, regardless of what happens with Jason's situation. His title for the company is a machinist, as well as a bullet tester. He has been a large and important portion of the company without a doubt. Jason he has been cooperative and doing a good job in training a newly hired machinist to take over in the possibility of his absence.

Next, to address the issues some have been seeing with having a hard time getting good accuracy. George was seeing the same issues in one of his rifles, went through many things checking his rifle, and narrowed it down to a problem with the bullets, he was seeing a large amount of runout. First, they checked the machine, went through everything including replacing bearings on a relatively new machine, to no avail. He then sent some bullets off to a metallurgist, and the composition of the copper was consistent. Through process of elimination, they came to the conclusion it was stress in the copper itself.

Starting around the time of covid was when the manufacturing of the copper started to go down hill. They were finding stress in the copper that was releasing upon machining, leading to extreme run out, at times in larger bullets up to .010". Another problem they were seeing with the copper was the poor transportation for delivery, even having some copper unusable due to being broken. After a large amount of testing different copper, they have recently resolved this issue and changed copper suppliers, and now have a supply of good copper that should likely last a couple years. Newly produced bullets are back to having great consistency, and should resolve the previously seen issues.

I hope this clears some things up. George is a great guy, very open and honest, and does a great job communicating. I personally feel completely comfortable continuing to run his projectiles. Thanks everyone.
 
codyadams said:
Ok, I got a chance to talk to George, had a good long conversation with him about many things related to the business. I am employed in the Justice system, and will preface this with a reminder of how our justice system functions, all people are innocent unless proven guilty.

First things first, nothing major is going to change with the business, regardless of what happens with Jason's situation. His title for the company is a machinist, as well as a bullet tester. He has been a large and important portion of the company without a doubt. Jason he has been cooperative and doing a good job in training a newly hired machinist to take over in the possibility of his absence.

Next, to address the issues some have been seeing with having a hard time getting good accuracy. George was seeing the same issues in one of his rifles, went through many things checking his rifle, and narrowed it down to a problem with the bullets, he was seeing a large amount of runout. First, they checked the machine, went through everything including replacing bearings on a relatively new machine, to no avail. He then sent some bullets off to a metallurgist, and the composition of the copper was consistent. Through process of elimination, they came to the conclusion it was stress in the copper itself.

Starting around the time of covid was when the manufacturing of the copper started to go down hill. They were finding stress in the copper that was releasing upon machining, leading to extreme run out, at times in larger bullets up to .010". Another problem they were seeing with the copper was the poor transportation for delivery, even having some copper unusable due to being broken. After a large amount of testing different copper, they have recently resolved this issue and changed copper suppliers, and now have a supply of good copper that should likely last a couple years. Newly produced bullets are back to having great consistency, and should resolve the previously seen issues.

I hope this clears some things up. George is a great guy, very open and honest, and does a great job communicating. I personally feel completely comfortable continuing to run his projectiles. Thanks everyone.
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Thanks for the report!
 
codyadams said:
Ok, I got a chance to talk to George, had a good long conversation with him about many things related to the business. I am employed in the Justice system, and will preface this with a reminder of how our justice system functions, all people are innocent unless proven guilty.

First things first, nothing major is going to change with the business, regardless of what happens with Jason's situation. His title for the company is a machinist, as well as a bullet tester. He has been a large and important portion of the company without a doubt. Jason he has been cooperative and doing a good job in training a newly hired machinist to take over in the possibility of his absence.

Next, to address the issues some have been seeing with having a hard time getting good accuracy. George was seeing the same issues in one of his rifles, went through many things checking his rifle, and narrowed it down to a problem with the bullets, he was seeing a large amount of runout. First, they checked the machine, went through everything including replacing bearings on a relatively new machine, to no avail. He then sent some bullets off to a metallurgist, and the composition of the copper was consistent. Through process of elimination, they came to the conclusion it was stress in the copper itself.

Starting around the time of covid was when the manufacturing of the copper started to go down hill. They were finding stress in the copper that was releasing upon machining, leading to extreme run out, at times in larger bullets up to .010". Another problem they were seeing with the copper was the poor transportation for delivery, even having some copper unusable due to being broken. After a large amount of testing different copper, they have recently resolved this issue and changed copper suppliers, and now have a supply of good copper that should likely last a couple years. Newly produced bullets are back to having great consistency, and should resolve the previously seen issues.

I hope this clears some things up. George is a great guy, very open and honest, and does a great job communicating. I personally feel completely comfortable continuing to run his projectiles. Thanks everyone.
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Cody,

That's good to know. Thanks for checking it directly to the source (owner) and for sharing it with us.

Ed
 
So if I order some 70 gr's, will I be getting the new copper or will they be trying to unload the older ones?
 

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