Apex afterburner a few impact resistance results

[Northkill]

Let's go do something we all enjoy. The mirror turns in all directions for sure. That's the funny part.

To Apex, Hammer, Badlands, etc...keep on it. You all have your place and are doing your best to meet your goals. I've had good experiences with all of you.

 

[Hard rock]

Let's go do something we all enjoy. The mirror turns in all directions for sure. That's the funny part.

To Apex, Hammer, Badlands, etc...keep on it. You all have your place and are doing your best to meet your goals. I've had good experiences with all of you.

Let's go do something we all enjoy. The mirror turns in all directions for sure. That's the funny part.

To Apex, Hammer, Badlands, etc...keep on it. You all have your place and are doing your best to meet your goals. I've had good experiences with all of you.

Is Badlands still making bullets ? I thought they kinda dropped the ball just curious.

 

[Korhil78]

Is Badlands still making bullets ? I thought they kinda dropped the ball just curious.

I think you mean blackjack bullets. Badlands is still making bullets and doing well.

 

[ButterBean]

I think you mean blackjack bullets. Badlands is still making bullets and doing well.

And no Blackjack is done I do believe

 

[ButterBean]

@mcdil I personally know that you know why this thread was started and and it has taken the same turn as all the as of late so with all due respect can I ask you a question please Sir,
Did you design and build your bullet just to same thing every other bullet has already done or are you pushing the envelope ?

 

[cohunt]

Seems like lots of threads are getting derailed more and more lately --- gotta read through a bunch of mumbo jumbo to get to the real info.

By looking at the first high velocity bullet impact pics-- I'm wondering about the construction of the afterburner bullets.

They look a little like they could possibly be similar to sintered/frangible copper construction --- or are they just softer copper that "tears" ? I know they are a "pedals off" design, but its hard for me to tell by the pics the construction design of the copper itself

 

[NorthRiverGuide]

Seems like lots of threads are getting derailed more and more lately --- gotta read through a bunch of mumbo jumbo to get to the real info.

By looking at the first high velocity bullet impact pics-- I'm wondering about the construction of the afterburner bullets.

They look a little like they could possibly be similar to sintered/frangible copper construction --- or are they just softer copper that "tears" ? I know they are a "pedals off" design, but its hard for me to tell by the pics the construction design of the copper itself

Have you looked through the thread showing the terminal ballistics? It shows the performance at different impact velocities. Lots of cattle etc to show performance. Not sure if it's just a softer copper or if it's been structurally weakened on the inside of the cavity like badlands bullets. It will be interesting to see one eventually cut open. I know the Petey308 guy cuts open bullets and documents them. Maybe he can link up with mark and get a hold of some afterburners to cut open for us.

 

[ButterBean]

Seems like lots of threads are getting derailed more and more lately --- gotta read through a bunch of mumbo jumbo to get to the real info.

By looking at the first high velocity bullet impact pics-- I'm wondering about the construction of the afterburner bullets.

They look a little like they could possibly be similar to sintered/frangible copper construction --- or are they just softer copper that "tears" ? I know they are a "pedals off" design, but its hard for me to tell by the pics the construction design of the copper itself

It's a good pill have no doubt a about it so have no worries , Fordy hasjust found its limit for everyone's benefit

 

[cohunt]

I'm not worried one way or the other, ive seen terminal ballistics and i know some designs have min and max limitations-- just wondering about it's construction--- is it solid copper ( just a softer alloy that tears)-- or is it similar to a sintered copper construction?

 

[Petey308]

Have you looked through the thread showing the terminal ballistics? It shows the performance at different impact velocities. Lots of cattle etc to show performance. Not sure if it's just a softer copper or if it's been structurally weakened on the inside of the cavity like badlands bullets. It will be interesting to see one eventually cut open. I know the Petey308 guy cuts open bullets and documents them. Maybe he can link up with mark and get a hold of some afterburners to cut open for us.

Yes, I already have some- the same 135gr versions used in the tests in this thread too- and I have just recently done the cutaway. I'm quite impressed and I had the same suspicions as you do myself and I had a pretty good idea on what I'd find already based on the evidence already out there.

I'm not quite ready to post the results and pictures just yet, but it's done and awaiting the right time. I think everyone ought to be impressed though.

 

[FEENIX]

Amen to that! Mark has been been very receptive/open-minded about it. He understands there is NO magic bullet. Keep up the excellent work Mark.

@mcdil, I hope you offer heavier bullet options in the future, esp., in 33.

@mcdil, I got intel from a very reputable source and looking forward to your upcoming offerings. Ahhh, the suspense.

It is evident that there is a clear separation in this forum, and I am OK with that. A little competition is healthy for the business/industry and the end-users. Having plenty of choices to choose from is excellent. Keep on harmonizing innovation and precision. Good luck!

Ed

 

[Petey308]

It's a good pill have no doubt a about it so have no worries , Fordy hasjust found its limit for everyone's benefit

Its top end and current limit, just to clarify. And yes, whether it's going to be a common limit people have to worry about or not, it's still good to know. And it shows us things like how the particular alloy behaves under a ton of stress. Basic metallurgy tells us metal behaves different depending on its strain rate and the amount of stress it endures and how quickly.

You would see different behavior from the metal at lower impact velocities and with less stress put on it. So we also need to see that performance as well, especially before any permanent changes to alloy are made.

Unfortunately you can't make a bullet that will excel under ANY scenario, ANY animal, ANY shot placement, etc, etc so you have to just find the best balance and then the end user needs to know the limits and what results to expect, that way they can adjust shot placement as necessary, pick a cartridge for it as necessary, pick a particular bullet weight as necessary, etc and be setup for success.

I know that's what will be taken away from this test by Mark and he'll use the information as such. You can take that information and make a version that is best suited for certain scenarios, animals, velocities, etc too or at least extrapolate from it how to build yourself the right combo for your needs (rifle, cartridge, particular bullet, etc).

 

[jessej]

A little competition is healthy for the business/industry and the end-users. Having plenty of choices to choose from is excellent. Keep on harmonizing innovation and precision. Good luck!

Facts

 

[jessej]

Its top end and current limit, just to clarify

Current…..I like the way you think.

Unfortunately you can't make a bullet that will excel under ANY scenario, ANY animal, ANY shot placement, etc, etc

Can't make one,,, or haven't figured out how to make one …..yet.
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