Apex afterburner a few impact resistance results
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codyadams
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I don't think anyone could look at this and objectively say this is an overall or conclusive bullet failure, but instead a good idea of the upper limitation range of this particular bullet when put through heavy bone, so a worst case high velocity impact (very useful), which appears to be around 3600 fps thus far, before it starts to behave in a way other than intended.
The animal was obviously recovered, however what exactly the animal was, the approximate size of the animal, if it traveled, dropped in it's tracks, required an additional shot or not, or other pertinent information is not nailed down at this point, but would be useful knowledge as well. This would give an understanding of when the bullet fails due to high velocity/heavy bone impact, what the expected outcome on a given animal is.
Testing is appreciated, I know I do a fair bit of objective bullet testing and report my findings, so I appreciate it when others do it as well.
I totally agree, and tried to make those same points.
I'd hope no one takes it as a conclusive test either, and I don't actually think anyone would. I was just trying to make the point of there's more to learn and this was just the upper extreme. Maybe I didn't convey that very well lol. My apologies.
There's definitely more info that could make this post even more useful, I agree.
I definitely wasn't trying to dismiss this post as being useless, pointless, irrelevant, or any other similar thing.
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I would love to see this same test slowed down to levels we normally use.Then I could make better observations for my personal use.
RockyMtnUT
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Lol…I thought the exact same thing!
Gday
I really don't no who to quote as man this place goes from 0-100 quickly
So I'll broadly reply before my day starts again & I've got a lot to do
I treat every bullet the same & I'm not comparing this to hammers as the info I was asked to gather information on the afterburner is the same for any bullets as on paper it looks a good option
for a 12 twist 300 wm so I assumed a 3800 load would potentially be on the table hence where I loaded to & Tys will take critters to around 800 if conditions are correct but there is every possibility that he will take them @ 20 yard ( I can't get to 800 with my rum due to accuracy issues ( rifle not afterburners)
So while you lot may hunt @say longer than 500 a lot won't & in tys case a huge possibility that a eland or kudu will be taken @ 20 or so yard in thick timber but most likely shot will be 80-250 & the we move to the likes of vahl mountain reedbok or klipspringer ( klipspringer is also a concern for other reasons but I'll leave that alone ) to name a few & he can well go to his 800 if he chooses so no I couldn't find a hammer to work within the possibility of what potentially is going to occur & he asked on the afterburner & I tested , I recommended him to still use the 150 gr mth as from previous testing I'd done on this pill it's a Way better option & that's what I'm about as you squeeze the trigger on a 2000lb $2000 animal & it's a hard price to swallow if it failed to penertrate through its shoulder @80 yard let alone 20 & for those that say just keep off bone that's well & good but life also happens & it's useful to No you can get the job done
The test media of the failed yes I call it a failure as that's what it was when you hit a cow in the shoulder to simulate what could happen to Ty's on a eland or kudu & it failed to penertrate into the chest cavity
The first cow had a busted back & after a short space of time from the shoulder shot I plugged her in the head as I new something was wrong by her reactions yes it made me sick & one I am so glad wasn't when I head north as a lot of critters up there can run a long way on 3 legs
( I was also going to test these pills on horses also but Time just wasn't with me so I only dropped them & in a pit they went , yes I try to test in a controlled space before I head out into the field then I have a idea of the things to avoid just like I have with every other brand I have used & to me it's a really good approach as I know . This is on big critters smaller I don't really worry that much these days as 99.9% of pills on the market will kill the critter if I'm on the money
The pill I'm not saying is a complete failure & if you stay below a certain velocity impact & resistance it will be all good but even high velocity on that medium resistance it's one to watch ( look what the bubble did )
The only reason I put this up was from the chance that franko21 may get a elk to surprise him & offer that shoulder shot in his 7 rm with a 117 afterburner & I said I assume !! but I'd rather put it out there as be careful than going oh it's all good yeah no worries mate & it did show up that way then my word would be crap as I new about potential failure in a different caliber different critter but the bases of the design& alloy was the same ( I assume it's the same across all lines ) then it would come back to haunt me as has previously happened & it's not nice & these days I'm way more careful on my recommendation if I see a issue that could arise I stay away from going there & why I recommend him to still use the mth as results have been great with that pill that I'd previously tested & used
Now he's wanting me to test the badlands but I'm so busy I have declined as his mth will get the job done ( not taking aim @ the badlands testers who ever you are as from a conversation with another guy on my home forum I think those guys will do that company proud from the little I've seen it's just hard when so many people want you to test so many bullets & now I'm back out of semi retirement it's just impossible for me so I choose what & whom I test for please don't take that as being anti badlands I state again I like their product & whoever the testers are keep doing the great job your doing ( I'd personally like to see the new bd as the first gen were good but I can't afford the time & I believe they are in safe hands )
Man I just seem to be digging a hole & I need to go to work
Mark I mean no malice to anyone I like factual information on pills & I'd been putting out a bit of information on velocity windows & quoting afterburners here & there & would gladly chat as I've previously done with you but please don't insinuate that it was my intention to cause trouble
& it's not my companys reputation's to maintain ( sorry to be blunt )
I was just putting out feelers & a simple message like hey Howz it going would've been a good approach as in no way have I ever shut you down privately
It's how I do things & just the same as I have done with hammers if I see a problem I will voice my concerns & if anyone thinks this was behind closed doors your mistaken as I called steve out in public but he grasped the opportunity to learn what I know & can do & the only closed door he has now is on the tweaked version of that pill slamming it shut on the old one
That's lifting the bar people
Now I may have misread your reply to me & accept my apology & always I take any calls & not screen them like some do
No grudges & I will always try new things to try & raise the bar in my world & if the above information is no good to anyone that's cool
Cheers
I really don't no who to quote as man this place goes from 0-100 quickly
So I'll broadly reply before my day starts again & I've got a lot to do
I treat every bullet the same & I'm not comparing this to hammers as the info I was asked to gather information on the afterburner is the same for any bullets as on paper it looks a good option
for a 12 twist 300 wm so I assumed a 3800 load would potentially be on the table hence where I loaded to & Tys will take critters to around 800 if conditions are correct but there is every possibility that he will take them @ 20 yard ( I can't get to 800 with my rum due to accuracy issues ( rifle not afterburners)
So while you lot may hunt @say longer than 500 a lot won't & in tys case a huge possibility that a eland or kudu will be taken @ 20 or so yard in thick timber but most likely shot will be 80-250 & the we move to the likes of vahl mountain reedbok or klipspringer ( klipspringer is also a concern for other reasons but I'll leave that alone ) to name a few & he can well go to his 800 if he chooses so no I couldn't find a hammer to work within the possibility of what potentially is going to occur & he asked on the afterburner & I tested , I recommended him to still use the 150 gr mth as from previous testing I'd done on this pill it's a Way better option & that's what I'm about as you squeeze the trigger on a 2000lb $2000 animal & it's a hard price to swallow if it failed to penertrate through its shoulder @80 yard let alone 20 & for those that say just keep off bone that's well & good but life also happens & it's useful to No you can get the job done
The test media of the failed yes I call it a failure as that's what it was when you hit a cow in the shoulder to simulate what could happen to Ty's on a eland or kudu & it failed to penertrate into the chest cavity
The first cow had a busted back & after a short space of time from the shoulder shot I plugged her in the head as I new something was wrong by her reactions yes it made me sick & one I am so glad wasn't when I head north as a lot of critters up there can run a long way on 3 legs
( I was also going to test these pills on horses also but Time just wasn't with me so I only dropped them & in a pit they went , yes I try to test in a controlled space before I head out into the field then I have a idea of the things to avoid just like I have with every other brand I have used & to me it's a really good approach as I know . This is on big critters smaller I don't really worry that much these days as 99.9% of pills on the market will kill the critter if I'm on the money
The pill I'm not saying is a complete failure & if you stay below a certain velocity impact & resistance it will be all good but even high velocity on that medium resistance it's one to watch ( look what the bubble did )
The only reason I put this up was from the chance that franko21 may get a elk to surprise him & offer that shoulder shot in his 7 rm with a 117 afterburner & I said I assume !! but I'd rather put it out there as be careful than going oh it's all good yeah no worries mate & it did show up that way then my word would be crap as I new about potential failure in a different caliber different critter but the bases of the design& alloy was the same ( I assume it's the same across all lines ) then it would come back to haunt me as has previously happened & it's not nice & these days I'm way more careful on my recommendation if I see a issue that could arise I stay away from going there & why I recommend him to still use the mth as results have been great with that pill that I'd previously tested & used
Now he's wanting me to test the badlands but I'm so busy I have declined as his mth will get the job done ( not taking aim @ the badlands testers who ever you are as from a conversation with another guy on my home forum I think those guys will do that company proud from the little I've seen it's just hard when so many people want you to test so many bullets & now I'm back out of semi retirement it's just impossible for me so I choose what & whom I test for please don't take that as being anti badlands I state again I like their product & whoever the testers are keep doing the great job your doing ( I'd personally like to see the new bd as the first gen were good but I can't afford the time & I believe they are in safe hands )
Man I just seem to be digging a hole & I need to go to work
Mark I mean no malice to anyone I like factual information on pills & I'd been putting out a bit of information on velocity windows & quoting afterburners here & there & would gladly chat as I've previously done with you but please don't insinuate that it was my intention to cause trouble
& it's not my companys reputation's to maintain ( sorry to be blunt ) I was just putting out feelers & a simple message like hey Howz it going would've been a good approach as in no way have I ever shut you down privately
It's how I do things & just the same as I have done with hammers if I see a problem I will voice my concerns & if anyone thinks this was behind closed doors your mistaken as I called steve out in public but he grasped the opportunity to learn what I know & can do & the only closed door he has now is on the tweaked version of that pill slamming it shut on the old one
That's lifting the bar people
Now I may have misread your reply to me & accept my apology & always I take any calls & not screen them like some do
No grudges & I will always try new things to try & raise the bar in my world & if the above information is no good to anyone that's cool
Cheers
I watch the news and have seen the historic flooding there.Entire lakes filled up to capacity in a single season!
Stay safe brother and thanks for the hard work!
Stay safe brother and thanks for the hard work!
NorthRiverGuide
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Well said sir
NorthRiverGuide
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It's kinda like knowing a car can hit at 80 mph and the people survive in crash testing. Then hitting at 130 mph and calling it a failure. If you push a bullet too fast especially faster than bullets are generally designed to perform it's not going to do well. Interesting to see what happens at that high of velocity but it doesn't really tell us anything. There's very few people pushing velocities like that. Hopefully he or others can test them in normal velocities especially the lower end to see the normal performance range. Especially on a long range forum where that's what most people will experience and find useful. I'm very interested to see testing from these especially since I will be trying them soon and hopefully get some hogs with them. Have you cut these open yet and tested them?
No I have not yet. I want to ensure I have enough after my load development to hunt with, and if I have a couple left, I definitely will ASAP.
NorthRiverGuide
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Nice looking forward to seeing your results
You don't have the first clue about what's going on or what this post is even about, I doubt that you and several others ever will
SMH
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