Alec Baldwin charged with Involuntary Manslaughter

[2buffalo]

For the life of me I have yet to agree with anything you have ever posted.

Agreed.

 

[marc357]

Many people seem to think that a "Prop" gun should not be able to fire live ammunition, or that the word "prop" is synonymous with "fake".

The word "prop" in this context is merely short for "property" as in "studio property".

Real functioning firearms are commonly used in the production of movies. This is the reason these "props" are to be tightly controlled, by an "armorer". As in: an actual firearms expert who is responsible for the safe use, care, maintenance, repair, etc of said firearms.

Does anyone believe that weirdo tattooed face pierced purple- haired thot Baldwin hired (for way less than he could have gotten anyone else)- is a legitimate "armorer"?

All that said, the "armorer" wasn't even present during the accident. Her (biggest) mistake was not securing the firearms: as in absolutely locking them up to prevent access by unqualified people handling them without her supervision. Same as you would with a child. Just a man-child in this case.

 

[Varmint Hunter]

For the life of me I have yet to agree with anything you have ever posted. If anyone gave you a weapon, and it was their job to make sure it was cold, would you point it at someone and pull the trigger without confirming for yourself that it did not have live ammo in it? Do you not feel a responsibility to know the rules of handling a weapon, prop or not, and or have a responsibility to confirm live or prop ammo?

Ahahahah

 

[Varmint Hunter]

Out of curiosity if someone you know hands you a gun and tells you it's cold do you then point it at someone (who isn't even in the movie) and pull the hammer back and pull the trigger or do you verify for yourself before you potentially take somones life?

If your answer is you take the other persons word for it and kill someone do you take responsibility yourself or blame the person that told you it was empty?

Your question is totally out of context with the Hollywood scenario that is at question.

 

[xsn10s]

Your question is totally out of context with the Hollywood scenario that is at question.

Actually I disagree. When Baldwin (co writer/ producer) allowed actual firearms on the set he fell under firearms safety requirements. Since he and Souza were in charge they assume the responsibility and liability of other's actions on the set. Firearms safety rules would have fallen on all of those that handled the firearms including Baldwin. Plus I imagine they hired the guy that handed the weapon to Baldwin. He was fired from a previous set due to a ND.

 

[xsn10s]

So they hired a guy that was fired from a set because of injuring others from a ND on another set. And add that to they hired a technical advisor that was under qualified. Set a pretty bad pattern. Then they handle the firearms without the armorer on set. Baldwin, who missed the required firearms safety briefing or training, takes the firearm and fires. I don't even know if that scene called for him to point the revolver at those people. If not add that to the negligent actions. If he isn't found guilty then well, I guess I'll pull out the "white privilege" card lol.

 

[xsn10s]

It's okay to disagree. I just don't see how Baldwin is going to get out of this.

 

[Varmint Hunter]

Actually I disagree. When Baldwin (co writer/ producer) allowed actual firearms on the set he fell under firearms safety requirements. Since he and Souza were in charge they assume the responsibility and liability of other's actions on the set. Firearms safety rules would have fallen on all of those that handled the firearms including Baldwin. Plus I imagine they hired the guy that handed the weapon to Baldwin. He was fired from a previous set due to a ND.

It appears to be a complicated case that has been under investigation for quite some time. It's interesting that new issues to being discovered now. They initially charged Baldwin and then determined that the charges should be withdrawn. Now he has been re-charged based on new evidence. The gun, itself, has been examined by professionals twice with differing opinions. Apparently, the FBI recently completed their analysis but, reportedly, broke the firearm in the process. What a mess.

Different people feel that Baldwin is guilty for totally different reasons. I guess we will all have a better idea of exactly what went wrong after the armorer's trial which is coming up long before they get to Baldwin.

 

[Hugnot]

I won't watch movies that have violence & gun play. There are many western movies, like cowboy, which show much gun play. Guns are carelessly handled and frequently pointed at people in these movies. I can imagine the agony & internal mess of being gut shot in the 1870's - this makes me wince.

The situation with Baldwin could have been avoided with common sense, operation of a single action revolver is not rocket science. Any sensible person would not want to be a set armorer as a pocket full of ammo could be loaded into a weapon in an instant upon observing armorer inattention.

I like movies that feature lots of cute young women that giggle & cute little furry animals. I also like science type movies.

A good science movie would be some young smart politician developing a counter force to defeat enemy forces that have placed a maneuverable, protected & invulnerable orbital satellite having the ability to completely disrupt earthly communications and make large areas uninhabitable by use of a parabolic mirror to focus & direct reflected sun light. To indicate their bad intentions, several state capital cities have been broiled to a crisp & hundreds of thousands of acres of productive farmland have been desiccated, sterilized & rendered useless. The young politician guy & crew prevail & save humanity.

 

[HARPERC]

It appears to be a complicated case that has been under investigation for quite some time. It's interesting that new issues to being discovered now.

It's only complicated in the sense of assessing liability/culpability,

Someone died, and someone is responsible that could mean jail time, fines, and or civil settlement.

He definitely has the legal representation, and media representation to keep the water muddy, but the basic dead body remains.

It would be interesting to know if those handling firearms had legal issues preventing them from doing so. Like Hunter Biden Hollywood seems to get a pass on such crimes. In spite of being the driving force behind such laws.

 

[Sealesniper]

I think he should be charged. If you plead "stupidity" then that should not be viable. If someone gets in a car, and they have never sat in a car, or driven a car or even have a license, but they decide to drive it anyway, is it someone else's fault?

IF you don't know about guns, don't know how to clear a gun, and don't know the basic rule, "all guns are handled like they are loaded and you never point at anything you don't intend to shoot", then pleading ignorance is NO excuse. You should not pick up a gun. No body made him pick it up. Nobody told him to play with it like a toy. He should be hammered hard for this, as he is one of those libtards saying AR's need to be outlawed. The gun he used was not an AR, and it was not the gun's fault, it was the idiot holding it, pointing it and pulling the trigger as a JOKE.

 

[M1A1ABRAMS]

Just curious but how many have been in the armed forces & pointed a weapon at another person. While in training ? Remember the MILES equipment ? You used your M16. There are times when pointing a weapon at another is practiced. Look at all the movies in the past. They didn't seem to have these issues. Couldn't this whole fiasco boil down to just being STUPID ?

 

[xsn10s]

I was in the Army in a combat unit. Spent a lot of time in the field training. I've also trained police officers. So I see a ton of poor practices in this case. Which is why I said I cannot see how he is not guilty.

 

[dfanonymous]

Brandon Lee was shot dead on set…that was in the 90s. It's been happening longer than that.

Pointing props at other actors for the sake of entertainment is one thing, but the entertainment industry needs to have real and knowledgeable professionals that manage these things when that's the case. They don't, which is the problem.