Alec Baldwin charged with Involuntary Manslaughter

[Coyote Shadow Tracker]

We saw this tragic event unfold the day it was announced on the News.
This was more or less a remote location for shooting this movie at the Bonaza Creek Ranch. There was a report that said since of the location, the staff working on the movie set could "SHOOT" Target practice with the firearms on the Set.
Now I don't know anything about Movie Sets and Props, but I would think that the firearms are not "Working" firearms. Evidently they did use real firearms on this Movie Set.
There were several people on the Set that were using the firearms and the one the Alex Baldwin had for the movie were using real bullets to target practice. The Set Armorer was involved and the Pistol was loaded and fired with real bullets.
Somehow the Armorer gave Baldwin a Pistol with loaded REAL ammo by mistake instead of BLANKS.
It is everyone on the Safety Team along with Baldwin responsible for not checking the firearm. Plus it was a real working firearm and there was not supposed to have real ammo on the movie set.
They should all be charged, lose there certifications for Firearm Safety Armorer and go to jail.

 

[436]

There is more than enough blame to go around in that clown attack… the bottom line is; that "he" was the last guy to handle the weapon, he should have checked it, that's on him no matter what.
"You" get handed a weapon and smoke someone by accident… see what happens, I don't care what the situation is, failure to check a weapon that is capable of firing live ammo handed to you makes you either a moron or an unsafe jerk, turns out he's both.
Furthermore, it seems apparent that he tried to lie at the beginning of the investigation and blame the "gun" as many do.
The guy is a d-bag that makes his living using guns to kill people on screen and at the same time tells you, you shouldn't have a gun because you aren't responsible enough, adding… It will stop criminals once all the guns are out of the hands of the public, they never say how they'll get them out of the hands of the criminals because they know they can't.
I don't want to see the guy get the chair over this, but... When people play stupid games they win stupid prizes.
Don't forget it's a California court trying his criminal case, let's see… no time, one or two years probation, and a year community service, which he'll never do.
Just my 0.2 Cheers

 

[Coyote Shadow Tracker]

My father taught me that EVERY GUN IS LOADED even if it is not!

 

[1mechanic]

They had two accidental discharges by someone else even before the shooting. The union filmography crew walked off the set that morning because of the lack of safety.

 

[MtPockets]

They had two accidental discharges by someone else even before the shooting. The union filmography crew walked off the set that morning because of the lack of safety.

If that's fact, then I change my vote.
Electric Chair it is....

 

[hesse]

U never point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill and always keep your finger off the Bang switch till you are ready to kill it

 

[amu_shooter]

I'll also check status of each and every weapon I pick up, regardless if it's one of my own or who hands it to me.

I always designate Clear, Amber or Red.

Regardless no weapon EVER gets pointed at anything you're not willing to destroy.

 

[Dooner]

We saw this tragic event unfold the day it was announced on the News.
This was more or less a remote location for shooting this movie at the Bonaza Creek Ranch. There was a report that said since of the location, the staff working on the movie set could "SHOOT" Target practice with the firearms on the Set.
Now I don't know anything about Movie Sets and Props, but I would think that the firearms are not "Working" firearms. Evidently they did use real firearms on this Movie Set.
There were several people on the Set that were using the firearms and the one the Alex Baldwin had for the movie were using real bullets to target practice. The Set Armorer was involved and the Pistol was loaded and fired with real bullets.
Somehow the Armorer gave Baldwin a Pistol with loaded REAL ammo by mistake instead of BLANKS.
It is everyone on the Safety Team along with Baldwin responsible for not checking the firearm. Plus it was a real working firearm and there was not supposed to have real ammo on the movie set.
They should all be charged, lose there certifications for Firearm Safety Armorer and go to jail.

I still think that Baldwin is responsible! It was his set, and who the He!! allows anyone to be shooting live ammo from the very guns used in the movie?? Just asking for "Murphy" to come in and bite! Completely irresponsible!! On many levels, Baldwin is responsible, and needs to be held to account.

 

[bdlesh]

Out of curiosity if someone you know hands you a gun and tells you it's cold do you then point it at someone (who isn't even in the movie) and pull the hammer back and pull the trigger or do you verify for yourself before you potentially take somones life?

If your answer is you take the other persons word for it and kill someone do you take responsibility yourself or blame the person that told you it was empty?

I was thinking the same thing. If I walked into your house, handed you a gun and told you it wasn't loaded. Would you point it at your son and pull the trigger without checking it? I wouldn't. I don't even trust myself and check multiple times be for dry firing into the ground first. I also would never point a gun at anyone I wasn't planning on shooting to kill.
Thr fact he is a big anti gun lib......he should be made a poster child for them and have the book thrown at him.

 

[jensenj71]

If pointing "unloaded guns" at people was 100% safe then we would have fewer gun accidents. The point is to have two or more exceptions occur before an accident can occur. Treat all guns as though they are loaded at all times. Personally verify a gun is unloaded and then .... wait for it.....still treat the gun as though it is loaded! Gun safety rules should be second nature. Only a prop gun should be pointed in the direction of another person. Nearly all gun accidents I have heard about would be prevented if the people handling the guns just followed standard gun safety rules.

If he took possession of the firearm, failed to check the firearm, pointed the firearm at the other person and pulled the trigger he is responsible for the outcome.

There is a reason that someone else can't check a gun and then hand it to you. If it is ok for one person to check and then hand the gun to someone else where does it stop? Can someone 3 possessions back verify the gun is unloaded and the status be passed verbally through multiple people? What if there is a misunderstanding or the gun is set down on a table? Is that the gun that is unloaded?

Verify the gun is unloaded everytime you pickup a gun. Then treat every gun as though it is loaded. If you are unwilling to do both then please let me know so that I can get out of the area.

 

[Coyote Shadow Tracker]

WHO CARES ABOUT BALDWIN????
This is a wasted space of a forum that I got sucked into.

 

[HARPERC]

WHO CARES ABOUT BALDWIN????
This is a wasted space of a forum that I got sucked into.

Having seen others prosecuted for similar, my concern is he walks away while others have neither the resources, or connections to avoid culpability.

Coupled with his lack of remorse, and trying to place blame elsewhere.

So there are underlying principles.

 

[cjl2010]

There is nothing in that story that suggests illegal conduct to me. There are so many rumors going around that it's hard to even form an opinion on this. Some have stated that Baldwin and his crew were shooting that gun with live ammo, for recreational purposes, at some point prior to the accidental shooting. If that were true, I'd feel differently about who is/isn't responsible. However, that isn't even mentioned among the various details.

The fact that the gun was pointed at someone during the rehearsal doesn't raise alarms to me. Virtually every western movie made in the last 100yrs has actors pointing guns (real or otherwise) at other people and firing them. Realism is what Hollywood is all about. Making dummy ammo that is an exact replica to real ammo is part of the process. Baldwin was, reportedly, handed a gun and was told that it was cold. This is apparently the protocol used before rehearsals or live filming.

Like I said, I don't care for Baldwin any more than most, but I fail to see any criminal liability on his part. Whomever is primarily responsible for the live ammo being on the set sure isn't talking, but the armorer would likely be responsible for everything gun related on the entire set.

Lastly: It's sad that Hutchinson (sp) lost her life for Hollywood to have learned an important lesson. There really is no justification to have any real firearms or ammunition on a Hollywood set.

For the life of me I have yet to agree with anything you have ever posted. If anyone gave you a weapon, and it was their job to make sure it was cold, would you point it at someone and pull the trigger without confirming for yourself that it did not have live ammo in it? Do you not feel a responsibility to know the rules of handling a weapon, prop or not, and or have a responsibility to confirm live or prop ammo?

 

[dfanonymous]

WHO CARES ABOUT BALDWIN????
This is a wasted space of a forum that I got sucked into.

Most of us don't.

It's about seeing if the untouchable elitist get touched. If any of us did what he did, we would be in the booty house.