Advantage of SilencerCo over Thunderbeast?

rsbhunter said:
Don't have a dog in this fight, yet. Just had the stamp approved (YEA !) should have my TBAC Ultra 9 in a couple days/weeks....but I can tell you that I did ALOT of research on all brands....the one thing that would give me pause on the banish can, is the lack of popularity within the shooting fraternity...AND the 0 reviews on their website...of all models.....0 ! Not that time won't take care of both of those issues, but when I drop +/- $1500.00 all together, I demand some reviews, posts, and video's to help guide me to a proven and dependable product. I am curious why kywindage hasn't posted a review on their website ? If I buy a product I review it as soon as I have used it enough to justify it works, or not. I have to admit, I had never heard of Banish, or saw an article or post with their name til now....maybe in the future I will own one, but I need a lot more than one endorsement to spend the money on an unknown..rsbhunter
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There is a Testamonials link on their website, which takes you to an independent site where anyone can post testamonials. It says there are over 3,000 testamonials there now. You can also Google "Banish suppressor" and "Varminter suppressor" and find them being discussed on many different forums. I don't recall ever seeing anything negative said about them by anyone who owns one. What you will see, however, is dozens of posts by TBAC employees and sycophants bad-mouthing anyone who dares to claim their suppressor is just as good as TBAC, and God help you if you claim yours is better. They dream up all kinds of theoretical problems with "take-down" suppressors, none of which I have experienced or even heard of anyone experiencing. They shout down anyone who dares to question their superiorty. TBAC sponsors the Snipers Hide site, who happily bans anyone who dares to challenge TBAC.

Poster usmc45, for example, has posted exactly two previous posts on the LRH forums since joining in 2016, and yet here he quickly jumps in to bad-mouth me for saying I have serious doubts that any TBAC can is actually as "precision" accurate as my Banish. I get lots of, "well, everyone knows" and "you don't know what you are talking about" nonsense, but not a single one of them has been able to produce a simple target showing any rifle with a TBAC suppressor on it that can print four 5-shot groups on the same target at 100 yards that average as good as the .284" average I posted above.

I have no affiliation with Silencer Central, Mack Brothers or anyone else related to Banish suppressors. I just like mine and suspect they are inherently much more accurate than TBAC or any other welded can. We have two shooting ranges near where I live (Anchorage, Alaska) and I am at one or the other 4 - 5 days per week. The range managers know me very well. I watch guys on the shooting tables near me shooting worked-up loads, trying to get consistent, tiny groups, all the time, and have for years. I see them trying it with every brand of rifle/suppressor combination there is. I see dozens of TBACs because they are, in fact, the most popular, and I see quite a few half-minute rifles.

But I have never seen any rifle/suppressor combination that will shoot as well as my Banish.

If anyone wants to see my Banish suppressors in action, you are welcome to come to either of my local ranges and I will be glad to demonstrate. Here I am in a photo taken yesterday after a lead-bullet silhouette match, second from the right, standing. Just ask the Range Manager at either range where that guy is, or PM me to arrange a meeting. We'll have some fun. No "shout down" TBAC bullies, please.

 
Be sure to read this thread where dozens of people discuss the joys of trying to remove the several ounces of weight their sealed cans have gained. Of course, you can always just send your can in to the manufacturer for cleaning once a year. The Post Office, Fed-Ex, etc., never, ever lose anything that gets shipped on them. ;)

www.snipershide.com

Suppressors - Do you clean your suppressor?

I sent an Ultra 7 to TBAC to remove the insert to go from direct thread to CB mount. When I weighed the box I thought to myself "that's pretty heavy". I got a call from them the day they received it and they said it should be cleaned asit was nearly 4 oz. heavy. I've never cleaned it and...
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KY_Windage said:
Be sure to read this thread where dozens of people discuss the joys of trying to remove the several ounces of weight their sealed cans have gained. Of course, you can always just send your can in to the manufacturer for cleaning once a year. The Post Office, Fed-Ex, etc., never, ever lose anything that gets shipped on them. ;)

www.snipershide.com

Suppressors - Do you clean your suppressor?

I sent an Ultra 7 to TBAC to remove the insert to go from direct thread to CB mount. When I weighed the box I thought to myself "that's pretty heavy". I got a call from them the day they received it and they said it should be cleaned asit was nearly 4 oz. heavy. I've never cleaned it and...
www.snipershide.com www.snipershide.com
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There are ways to clean them without sending them in. It's a service TBAC offers. Give it a rest. No one is buying what you are selling guy
 
However you do it, I think it is important to keep your suppressor clean, if you want to optimize your rifle's accuracy.

Groups in middle and bottom were shot when my 223 can was dirty. Then I took it apart and cleaned it and put it back on, and the next day shot the two upper groups. All five-shot groups (ignore the two strays at lower right). Ammo, enviro conditions, etc., were the same.

It's not a huge difference, but enough to matter to me.



This is the rifle:

 
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Honestly this sounds like SAS all over again, just saying.

I'm sure that Banish makes a fine can, not arguing that, but what you're talking about has so many **** variables outside of the can that it's not really a clear cut measure of one can verses the other less you have evidence backing that claim of all variables being equal without bias. The banish would have to unequivocally provide better results on the same gun, same vice/shooting equipment that would remove human error (dunno what the machine is called), same ammo, powder load, etc.

Also i've never heard of Banish until now. TBAC has been doing this approaching 13 years with absolutely phenomenal results that speak for themselves. They've constantly pushed the weight-suppression boundaries that the industry is just now catching up to. Zac and Ray have been a big proponent in precision rifle shooting especially with suppressors over the last decade, and their customer service is second to noone. That is likely why you're getting the responses you are. It's easier to let the brand speak for itself rather than trying to dissuade people from going with an established company that has a wonderful reputation.
 
I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from anything, except making baseless claims. "Weight suppression?" Yeah, they have nearly caught up with what Banish has been doing for years (9 oz in 7").

You make a great point about all the other variables involved in accuracy comparisons. I can pretty easily equalize most of what you mentioned (although I'm not going to get a "machine" to do my aiming/shooting for me -- I am quite sure I can hold and shoot the same every shot, or if I do blow a shot, I know it) but one you did not mention is one that concerns me the most -- the change in barrel harmonics when you add or take away weight of the barrel, and especially at the muzzle end. Anyone who has ever experimented with a tuner (which is nothing more than a precisely moveable weight) on a varmint-weight barrel knows that slight movements of the weight in the tuner can make huge differences in the size of the groups the rifle prints consistently. Well, how could adding any suppressor not also affect the harmonics? But, if a suppressor just happens to put the harmonics at their optimum, how could letting the suppressor gain several ounces of weight not blow that optimum? Did you read the thread I posted where dozens of guys discuss the antics they have gone through trying to get the carbon out of their sealed cans?

Maybe I just got lucky and hanging any 9 oz suppressor on the .204 pictured above would reduce group size similarly. I have seen dozens of people post about their Banish/Varminter on various forums and I have never seen anyone say they were not happy with the accuracy, but who knows? After a lot of experimentation I (again) changed my load recipe on the 7mm I am shooting my Banish 30 on. The unsupressed groups got better but adding the suppressor no longer improves them (there appears to be no effect at all).

But, like I said, I see real serious shooters striving for the "sub-2 holy grail" with many different kinds of suppressors, including TBAC, all the time, and they cannot do what I can do. I think at least ONE TBAC somewhere ought to have to do that before they get to claim they have "unsurpassed accuracy."
 
KY_Windage said:
I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from anything, except making baseless claims. "Weight suppression?" Yeah, they have nearly caught up with what Banish has been doing for years (9 oz in 7").

You make a great point about all the other variables involved in accuracy comparisons. I can pretty easily equalize most of what you mentioned (although I'm not going to get a "machine" to do my aiming/shooting for me -- I am quite sure I can hold and shoot the same every shot, or if I do blow a shot, I know it) but one you did not mention is one that concerns me the most -- the change in barrel harmonics when you add or take away weight of the barrel, and especially at the muzzle end. Anyone who has ever experimented with a tuner (which is nothing more than a precisely moveable weight) on a varmint-weight barrel knows that slight movements of the weight in the tuner can make huge differences in the size of the groups the rifle prints consistently. Well, how could adding any suppressor not also affect the harmonics? But, if a suppressor just happens to put the harmonics at their optimum, how could letting the suppressor gain several ounces of weight not blow that optimum? Did you read the thread I posted where dozens of guys discuss the antics they have gone through trying to get the carbon out of their sealed cans?

Maybe I just got lucky and hanging any 9 oz suppressor on the .204 pictured above would reduce group size similarly. I have seen dozens of people post about their Banish/Varminter on various forums and I have never seen anyone say they were not happy with the accuracy, but who knows? After a lot of experimentation I (again) changed my load recipe on the 7mm I am shooting my Banish 30 on. The unsupressed groups got better but adding the suppressor no longer improves them (there appears to be no effect at all).

But, like I said, I see real serious shooters striving for the "sub-2 holy grail" with many different kinds of suppressors, including TBAC, all the time, and they cannot do what I can do. I think at least ONE TBAC somewhere ought to have to do that before they get to claim they have "unsurpassed accuracy."
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Here you go. Throws out the weight argument too. It's about concentricity and repeatability of lockup more than anything.
 
Ky_Windage,

I can't find a single shred of evidence supporting your claim that they were first to market with the banish 30 before the ultra 7 yeah I'd say the market is just now catching TBAC. Could be wrong on that. I'd be open to see a release date. I couldn't find one.

FurtherMore you saying that you equate to the accuracy and repeatability of a machine is laughable. Not trying to doubt your shooting ability but you're human. That is not how studies are conducted plain and simple.

I'm not going to convince you otherwise. I can see that which is fine. But i can almost assure you you're driving people away from banish not to them with that kind of rhetoric.
 
KY_Windage said:
I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from anything, except making baseless claims. "Weight suppression?" Yeah, they have nearly caught up with what Banish has been doing for years (9 oz in 7").

You make a great point about all the other variables involved in accuracy comparisons. I can pretty easily equalize most of what you mentioned (although I'm not going to get a "machine" to do my aiming/shooting for me -- I am quite sure I can hold and shoot the same every shot, or if I do blow a shot, I know it) but one you did not mention is one that concerns me the most -- the change in barrel harmonics when you add or take away weight of the barrel, and especially at the muzzle end. Anyone who has ever experimented with a tuner (which is nothing more than a precisely moveable weight) on a varmint-weight barrel knows that slight movements of the weight in the tuner can make huge differences in the size of the groups the rifle prints consistently. Well, how could adding any suppressor not also affect the harmonics? But, if a suppressor just happens to put the harmonics at their optimum, how could letting the suppressor gain several ounces of weight not blow that optimum? Did you read the thread I posted where dozens of guys discuss the antics they have gone through trying to get the carbon out of their sealed cans?

Maybe I just got lucky and hanging any 9 oz suppressor on the .204 pictured above would reduce group size similarly. I have seen dozens of people post about their Banish/Varminter on various forums and I have never seen anyone say they were not happy with the accuracy, but who knows? After a lot of experimentation I (again) changed my load recipe on the 7mm I am shooting my Banish 30 on. The unsupressed groups got better but adding the suppressor no longer improves them (there appears to be no effect at all).

But, like I said, I see real serious shooters striving for the "sub-2 holy grail" with many different kinds of suppressors, including TBAC, all the time, and they cannot do what I can do. I think at least ONE TBAC somewhere ought to have to do that before they get to claim they have "unsurpassed accuracy."
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But wait there's more
 
WeiserBucks said:
I've had a SAS Arbiter for a while and it's been great in every way. Just got my stamp for my TBAC 338 Ultra yesterday and I'm sure it'll be excellent.
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That will be my next can for my 338 Lapua keep us posted about your new purchase
 
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