absolute best scope???

[Brent]

Sam,

You posted right before me. You been busy workin or what?

I agree, for hunting the R2 reticle design is superior to any other on the market today.

Have you tried the Exbal program yet?

 

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[ 07-12-2003: Message edited by: S1 ]

 

[Brent]

I'll try it sometime.

At the rate our weather is going, it might be next week that it hits 70 degrees out too.

It's been 45 again for a few days now.

What a winter.

 

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[ 07-12-2003: Message edited by: S1 ]

 

[Brent]

Good luck with getting all hooked back up. I have been fortunate with my service providers so far, wish I had a high speed line though.

Here is a link to check out the Exbal program. It is pretty nice, especially when it come to the R2 inregration part. For use on a PDA, it is top notch. The PDA and desktop versions differ slightly, concerning the reticle integration, I can explain the details a little later if you like.
http://www.perry-systems.com/

 

[Darryl Cassel]

S1

Don't ever imply that "I" or 4 or 5 of my LR hunting or match shooting friends don't know how to adjust a scope of ANY manufacturer to our eyes.
We probably have been doing it longer then you have.

That test was done at 100 yards and if two LR scopes are laid side by side and one is clearer to 5 of us after EACH person set the scopes for their eyes, then something is wrong here. I know for a fact there are several who feel the NF is not as clear at 1000 yards either. Possibly your eyes are different then many shooters?

I think we can agree to disagree on this subject and it doesn't make you right and me wrong and vice versa now does it?

One thing for sure, you will never have to set a Leupold LR or the Mark 4 for a 1000 yard zero like you do with the NF to get to 2000 yds like the NF with the R2--as you mentioned.
That's the problem with the R2.

As far as dropping a rifle, none of them will hold up if dropped hard enough.

My friends and I don't hunt men with our scopes either as you mentioned about the towel heads.

You like NF and I, after having 8 NF scopes in the last two years, will take the Leupold LR anytime. I have replaced them with Leupold LR except for two NF that are here in the box. I try them from time to time but end up going back to the Leupolds.

NF for you and Leupolds for me---Has a nice ring to it don't it?

If the truth be known, quite possibly neither scope is the "BEST" scope available?

Anyway have a good one.
Keep busy and hope you have an extra reamer to send me.

DC

As an add on here----You still have an invite if your ever in PA to come to Williamsport (as long as your rifle is legal to our rules) and also to my property where we can reach out to 3000 yards if you wish.

You will probably have to put a 2000 yard zero on that R2 to get to 3000 yards don't you think???? Hope your shooting a big 338, 408 Chy Tac or a 50 Cal though.

[ 03-01-2003: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ]

 

[STL_Shooter]

Ahm tellin' you - them Supah Snipahs're lookin' better ever day. SWFA sells 'em by the bushel - they must be real good. They even got a picture of one mounted on my AR-15. One day, somehow, I'll have me one...

 

[Darryl Cassel]

STL


I wish you luck with these Tasco's

Give us a report how well they hold up.

Later
DC

[ 03-01-2003: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ]

 

[STL_Shooter]

Uh, umm, all right then... I guess I'll stick to my merely Nightforce scopes.

Whew - that was a close call...

 

[Darryl Cassel]

STL


I thought you would see the light sooner or later

Tasco for some, Nightforce for some and Leupold for others.

Later
DC

 

[texas]

I always thought the best scope was the one that got the job done when you needed it

. If the opportunity comes and you only have a Tassco,lupy, NF, U.S. Optics or bushnell and it gets the job done then it is the best scope. Don't know if some of you all are old enough to remember but, way back when the best scope was no scope because they hadn't been invented.

STL hopes that makes you feel a little better. Personaly I had never used a scope only iron sights but, after coming on board I started to learn about them and if money was no object I would go with a U.S. Optics with a custom reticle then would choose a NF.

Thats about all I can get for my dime

.

 

[rjf3]

Best optics are on the Souther fixed power scopes. They are insanly rare and expensive.
I have 36 scopes Leupolds, Lymans, Unertls,Davis, Weaver(ElPaso's) , B & L, and Litcherts. My clearest scope is a Lyman Super Target Spot 30X made in 1953. It is only a slight improvement over Leupolds.

Leupold is clearest of my internaly adjustable scopes. No NFS , so I have no opinion good or bad on them.

BTW: If you remember shooting with a Souther scope you are giving away your age. LOL If not they were custom scopes handmade by Mr. F. Herman Souther of Medford, Mass. in 1930's. Only available in 10, 12, or 14 power.

Russ

 

[STL_Shooter]

Well, I tried to inject a little humor in a discussion that, in my estimation, always falls just short of actually coming to meaningful conclusions. I see that said humor was lost on some of us... My bad - I'll try harder next time.

But seriously, I've come to believe that the issue of "which scope is the best" only addresses a corollary of the real question. That is, do I want to depend on
a system of moving parts, or do I want to depend on a non-moving graduated reticle, for holdover?

In recent months I have tested the following: (2) Bausch and Lomb 4200 6-24s, (1) Leupold Vari-X II 3-12, (1) Leupold 6.5-20 Vari-X III LR, and (get this!) the aforementioned Nightforce NXS 5.5-22 and Nightforce 3.5-15 NXS. I have come to the conclusion that, in each case, movement of the erector tube is inconsistent at cold or very cold temperatures.

For instance, at 600 yards, wouldn't we all agree that a 1/4 minute click should equal approximately 1.5"? Well, on a number of occasions, I have seen the centers of groups vary from 1/4 to even a 1/2 minute from expected centers after an adjustment... At double or triple that range, we know what the result will be. And this happens on my Leupolds, B&Ls, and yes, even on my beloved NFs...

So, I have come to the personal decision that I don't want to move ANYTHING if I don't have to.

Does this mean I will zero the Wolf for 2 "range ranges", 1 being, perhaps, 0 - 1200 and another, perhaps 600-1800. Maybe. That'd mean I depend on one and only one vertical adjustment to shoot from 0 - 1800 yards at 22x.

Or maybe I'll adopt the S1 method of zeroing the scope at 22x at long range on the main crosshair, which'd let me shoot way out there, but then drop the power to 11x for close shot at 100-500, which would now be on the reticle...

I don't know which method I'll base my future long range shooting on. What I do know is that, as of right now, I don't want to depend on sloppy mechanical adjustments of the erector tube for each and every shot.

That's my goal, that's my humble process right now and that's why the R2 is so important to me right now. Now, if I could just get an R2 in a Supah Snipah...

I'll certainly let you guys know how it goes as the weather warms and I can get out and continue this testing.

Peace and Love...

 

[Darryl Cassel]

STL

I can appreciate the humor and also your cold weather problem with repeatable clicks.

That's another reason I use the click system along with the spotter shot first method. A team member watching the bullet impact (with bigeyes) along with me in the scope, or vise versa is a must for us and the way we like to LR hunt.

Our shots are seldom ever under 1000 yards and normally starting at 1250 and going much further even here in PA.but, especially in Colorado.

I have tried the hold over method and always seem to have the target lined up "between" tick marks and not right on like I can do with the click system. I like to hold a cross hair or dot on a certain part of the animal and not use a "bracket between" two horizontal marks when pulling the trigger.

I can see an advantage in doing it either way for what ever is best for the individual shooter though. If a person is comfortable with one way, that's the system he should use.

It's like scopes, theres no "BEST" scope or shooting system for "EVERYONE". We all are individuels of differnt likes and dislikes and that's good. We can get a better understanding of many procedures used in the shooting world. What works for one, may never work for another.

The NXS does have a very nice reticule for my style of hunting and that is the CH 2 or the NP 2DD which I have on order and should be here anytime.
There happens to be enough elevation in those to reach to where I like to go without holdover.

I also think if your hunting alone and not shooting the extreme ranges we normally shoot
at, a person can make the holdover work well.
For most of the many Longrange hunters I know, the spotter method and click to the shot is prefered in every case.

Our animal targets are not human size with a verticle average, for ranging/shooting , of 6 feet tall.
We are after the kill shot and not a wounding shot, as many snipers do at times.
The R2 would certainly shine well in that senerio.
I guess you could say, "whatever trips your trigger" is whats best for you.

Good shooting to all.

Later
DC