7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

I have been using the copper bullets for years in various forms. I have had good luck with them in my muzzleloader and taking animals. I have also had very good luck with them in my 12 gauge slug gun.

The Hornady bullets are nice, I just wish that they made them a bit heavier for the larger 7's. A 154 gr GMX would make a nice elk setup in the STW.

Once I get some time, I am going to do some load work with the 150gr Nosler E Tips for the STW. I will also get some of the Barnes 150 bullets too to compare to them.
 
I have been using the copper bullets for years in various forms. I have had good luck with them in my muzzleloader and taking animals. I have also had very good luck with them in my 12 gauge slug gun.

The Hornady bullets are nice, I just wish that they made them a bit heavier for the larger 7's. A 154 gr GMX would make a nice elk setup in the STW.

Once I get some time, I am going to do some load work with the 150gr Nosler E Tips for the STW. I will also get some of the Barnes 150 bullets too to compare to them.

Black, first of all, congrats on your new gun on it's way to you. That rifle is a smoker, and I would have bought it myself , had the cash been avail.
As to the comment about the 154 weight in a GMX, that would be the ideal, and probably best all around bullet for the STW. Great sectional density, great BC, and the ability to shoot vary fast, and the weight, right in the middle of the lighter bullet, and the 160.
It's good to hear from those that have taken game with the mono bullets. I just made a drastic overall change in the bullet department, and these are the ones I picked, and I hope I don't have to look back and regret it the end. I feel good about the choice, as to the ability to fly fast, hit hard, NOT BLOW UP, and full penetration preferred. Admittedly, they are premium priced, but it is worth it to NOT have to track a flesh wounded deer.
How are the E- tips shooting for you? Are they comparable to Ballistic tips, or are they more like Accubonds?
 
7stw, thanks about the new rifle. It will be a nice addition to my collection. Its one of those that I have been looking at, but sort of affraid to go after due to not knowing how they were treated. Lee appears to take care of his stuff, so I went for it.

As for the E-Tips, I have not made any loads yet for the stw. I have been busy with family, but hope to work up some loads soon. I do have some for my '06 loaded by Nosler, and they seem good. Those are the 168 gr loads they have in 30 cal.

One of the reasons that I am going this way, is due to have a bullet blow up on me too. The STW is a bit violent with regular bullets at close range, well 20 yards!!!
 
I hunt the area without wolves[/QUOTE]

That's too bad, I think that rig could help fix the balance between elk and wolves by taking out a pack or two.
 
One of the reasons that I am going this way, is due to have a bullet blow up on me too. The STW is a bit violent with regular bullets at close range, well 20 yards!!![/QUOTE]

The idea of bullets blowing up without penetration, I have a hard time understanding. I shot an incoming black bear at 6' with a 300 win Mag 165gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. At 3250 fps, this put 3800 fps of energy onto the animal at 6'. The terminal results could not have been anymore devastating. Since this is in print, I will try to state it cleanly: My partner and I could clearly see each other from opposite sides of the animal. Yes, it came apart and yes, it penetrated.

Are people claiming that a bullet causes a splash type wound and never penetrates? Are the animals recovered to see what happened? Elk are tough animals, but a well placed shot rarely fails to deliver, and any shot in the hams intending to penetrate to the vitals, may need to be reconsidered.

So- has anyone had a bullet explode on an animal they recovered and what happened? Were these shots on the shoulder bone?
 
HEY;


I see a lot of people have 26 to 28 inch barrels in 7mm stwlightbulb
And few of you have 24 inch barrels, what Velocities
are you getting out of the 24 vs 26 inch barrelsgun)

Tom

I have been shooting 162 SSts at 3200+ with IMR 7828 24"

I also have a 26' barrel waiting in the wings for my gunsmith to install, because I believe this cartridge needs at least a 26" barrel. 28 may even be better with the slower burning powders. I can't get the velocity from h1000 or RL25 in a 24" barrel that I can get from 7828.
 
Big Jake Duke

For the bullet blowing up on me, I had a deer quartering in at me, at 20 yards. I shot him just behind his right leg, and then he dropped like a sack of potatoes. At first I thought something was wrong when I went around him, as I saw no exit hole. I was expecting a huge hole. All we could find was a small hole on the right side. Later when I skinned and butchered him up, I found what was left of the jacket under the skin in the right rear quarter.

The Rem 140gr load was about 3450 fps and 3400 ftlbs of energy at the time of hitting him. He was killed by hydrostatic shock. The lungs and the internals were all mush when I field dressed him. I also did not see any broken bones in the area of the bullet hit.
 
One of the reasons that I am going this way, is due to have a bullet blow up on me too. The STW is a bit violent with regular bullets at close range, well 20 yards!!!

The idea of bullets blowing up without penetration, I have a hard time understanding. I shot an incoming black bear at 6' with a 300 win Mag 165gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. At 3250 fps, this put 3800 fps of energy onto the animal at 6'. The terminal results could not have been anymore devastating. Since this is in print, I will try to state it cleanly: My partner and I could clearly see each other from opposite sides of the animal. Yes, it came apart and yes, it penetrated.

Are people claiming that a bullet causes a splash type wound and never penetrates? Are the animals recovered to see what happened? Elk are tough animals, but a well placed shot rarely fails to deliver, and any shot in the hams intending to penetrate to the vitals, may need to be reconsidered.

So- has anyone had a bullet explode on an animal they recovered and what happened? Were these shots on the shoulder bone?[/QUOTE]

Well, I can tell you first hand, that a bullet can blow up on impact, not penetrate enough to enter the vitals, and make a honest to god pie plate size flesh wound. The shot was at 219 yards, 168 Berger, @ 3369 fps. The deer dropped at the shot and did not move. I left her there until dark, which was about 20 minutes. When I approached her to drag her to the edge of the road, she got up, somehow, and ran to the edge of the woods. There was a sizable pool of blood where she was lying. When she got up, there was still enough lite that I could see a huge flesh wound on her left side, center mass. When she went into the woods, I said she won't go far, so we went and gathered the three other deer that my cousin and I shot. We returned to where I saw here go into the woods, found blood, actually, a good amount. We had a steady stream for, well, nearly 1/4 mile. The woods was so dense, and the ticks were everywhere, we reluctantlycalled off the search. I still to this day can not figure out how she got so far away from us, loosing the amount of blood she did. I guess my point is that I SAW a huge flesh wound, that can only be caused by a bullet blowing on contact. It wasn't a DRT shot. The shock knocked her off her feet, and kept her there a good twenty minutes. The bullet was a 300 RUM. I used to use Failsafes bullets, but my supply ran out, so I went to the Bergers. I think the speed was the culprit. They are said to be no good over 3200. Found that out after the fact. Had a similar experience the prior summer on a crop damage hunt. Seven mag, shoulder shot, 200 yards, 168 VLD, orange box. Shallow penetration, broke the shoulder, but that's about it. Recover the deer, it was like you took a shovel, and just scooped out a baseball size chunk of shoulder. The animal dragged the remainder of the leg about 200 yards before it finally expired. I'm sorry, no more ham- Berger for me.
 
I have been shooting 162 SSts at 3200+ with IMR 7828 24"

I also have a 26' barrel waiting in the wings for my gunsmith to install, because I believe this cartridge needs at least a 26" barrel. 28 may even be better with the slower burning powders. I can't get the velocity from h1000 or RL25 in a 24" barrel that I can get from 7828.

I know a barrel length of 26 to 28 inches would be ideal,
but I am looking for a rifle that can handle hunting
in the mountains and not just open plains.
I have a .358 STA with a heavy barrel that weights @ 8.5 lbs
which I have humped up and down ridgeline's in Oregon and
Montana.
Could I get away with a 24 1/2 to 25 inch barrel
Maybe I am wrong tell me differentlightbulb
 
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Found this forum looking for 7MM STW brass, read a few pages and decided to join. I currently shoot a 7MM STW Winchester Model 70. I hand-load Nosler AB 160 for it.

here is my last trip to the range the .019 should be .190 sorry for the confusion I wish she shot at .019 :D

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Here is a pic of the rifle. She's pillar bedded and had some trigger work done.

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Here she is with a Leopold VX 3 3.5X10X40 CDS

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I don't get on forums to much but I do like to read and learn and when I found this one I had to show of my rifle, lol.
 
greenshovel

welcome to the site. We have some good info here. Some really knowledgable people on this round. Do some reading and ask some questions, we are always willing to help and learn from each other.

Thats a nice looking Winchester. With some really nice groups too.
 
Big Jake Duke

For the bullet blowing up on me, I had a deer quartering in at me, at 20 yards. I shot him just behind his right leg, and then he dropped like a sack of potatoes. At first I thought something was wrong when I went around him, as I saw no exit hole. I was expecting a huge hole. All we could find was a small hole on the right side. Later when I skinned and butchered him up, I found what was left of the jacket under the skin in the right rear quarter.

The Rem 140gr load was about 3450 fps and 3400 ftlbs of energy at the time of hitting him. He was killed by hydrostatic shock. The lungs and the internals were all mush when I field dressed him. I also did not see any broken bones in the area of the bullet hit.

That has been my experience on most deer and elk hit with the ballistic tip. The bullet detonates- but inside the engine compartment. It takes full advantage of hydrostatic shock (theory or not is another discussion). I was referring to some past threads i have read when people have said that a bullet had "exploded" leaving only a flesh wound without penetration. Your experience I believe is typical of a well placed shot with that type of bullet. Most of the time, if I can find the bullet it is a mangled scrap of copper with very little lead left on it. But if I am finding the bullet-or at least looking for it- that means it did its job.

My only complaint with that devastating a bullet is that it has hampered my experience as a tracker, because the animals are where they were when the shot went off. Not always, but very often.
 
I know a barrel length of 26 to 28 inches would be ideal,
but I am looking for a rifle that can handle hunting
in the mountains and not just open plains.
I have a .358 STA with a heavy barrel that weights @ 8.5 lbs
which I have humped up and down ridgeline's in Oregon and
Montana.
Could I get away with a 24 1/2 to 25 inch barrel
Maybe I am wrong tell me differentlightbulb

My rifle is a model 700 with a McMillan Ultralight stock. The gun is very light weight. I shoot a 338 sin/ 300 win mag/; 338 lapua and this light weight 7mmSTW is the worst kicking mule in the stable.

Light yes, pleasure to hunt with yes, deadly yes- but if you dont hold it correctly when you fire a shot she will cross your eyes and your knees at the same time. I carry a Harris bipod on all my rifles and with a shooting sling that helps, but it also adds weight that you are trying to get away from.

As far as the barrel length - 24 is probably the shortest to attempt. You will still have a velocity premium over a 26" 7 mag and probably be what you are looking for if you want to shoot 140-160 gr bullets. I have not been able to get 180's the mentioned 3,000 fps on that gun that others in this forum have been able to achieve with longer barrels.
 
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