Cold Trigger Finger
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That is the kind of practice that makes a guy able to really hit well with his big game rifle !
.358 Winchester experience anyone?
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Hand Skills
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That's for sure. A lightweight .358 win is not trivial in the recoil department.
That being said, it's surprising what is possible with a little practice though.
This is a pretty good drill, run pretty well, by a pretty good guy (thanks Angus!)
That being said, it's surprising what is possible with a little practice though.
This is a pretty good drill, run pretty well, by a pretty good guy (thanks Angus!)
Jeffrey Van Zandt
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well if you want a hard kicking 358, the old winchester 88 was one I have a first year 358 in the win 88 it has been over 45 years in the cabinet it is the worst the browning LA was 1/2 at the sholder of the 88 I think it has a lot to do with the stock
My 358's recoil is surprisingly mild with 225 gr. I have a model seven in 7-08 that bites twice as hard with 140's. I believe the high tech stock helps a bit in that regard as well as the rifle being a bit heavier.
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Mine started out life as a Mark X 30-06. Pac-nor 22" barrel. Loved the factory 200 gr rounds so I loaded some up to their fps and put three sxs @ 100 measuring 3/8". Took it out a few weeks later and took an axis buck @ 150 yards. Entry behind the near shoulder and in front of the off-side shoulder. He ran about 30 yards and left a blood trail a blind man could follow.
I need to drag that thing out again for another axis
I need to drag that thing out again for another axis
This is the online Hodgdon Manual version,maybe the manual you are looking at Deputy is a bought and paid for manual that I don't have or have access to.
Case: Winchester
Twist: 1:12"
Primer: Winchester LR, Large Rifle
Barrel Length: 26"
Trim Length: 2.005"
Bullet Weight200 GR. HDY SP
Starting Loads Starting Load: Minimum load required. If a starting load is not populated, it often denotes a subsonic load.
Maximum Loads
Manufacturer
Powder
Bullet Diam.
C.O.L. C.O.L.: Cartridge Overall Length
Grs.
Vel. (ft/s) Velocity: The speed of the bullet in flight.
Pressure Pressure: The force exerted by burning powder measured in Copper Units of Pressure (CUP) or Pounds per Square Inch (PSI).
Grs. Grains: If the value is followed by a C, it denotes a compressed load.
Vel. (ft/s) Velocity: The speed of the bullet in flight.
Pressure Pressure: The force exerted by burning powder measured in Copper Units of Pressure (CUP) or Pounds per Square Inch (PSI).
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderVarget
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains47.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,376
Pressure41,100 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains51.0C
Velocity (ft/s)2,527
Pressure47,900 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderBL-C(2)
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains49.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,329
Pressure31,500 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains52.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,464
Pressure41,800 CUP
Barrel Length: 26"
Case: Winchester
Primer: Winchester LR, Large Rifle
Trim Length: 2.005"
Twist: 1:12"
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderH335
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains44.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,300
Pressure40,000 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains48.5
Velocity (ft/s)2,484
Pressure48,400 CUP
Barrel Length: 26"
Case: Winchester
Primer: Winchester LR, Large Rifle
Trim Length: 2.005"
Twist: 1:12"
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderH4895
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains44.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,316
Pressure40,200 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains48.0C
Velocity (ft/s)2,519
Pressure49,800 CUP
Barrel Length: 26"
Case: Winchester
Primer: Winchester LR, Large Rifle
Trim Length: 2.005"
Twist: 1:12"
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderBenchmark
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains42.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,319
Pressure42,700 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains46.2
Velocity (ft/s)2,494
Pressure50,000 CUP
Barrel Length: 26"
Case: Winchester
Primer: Winchester LR, Large Rifle
Trim Length: 2.005"
Twist: 1:12"
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderH322
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains40.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,306
Pressure45,400 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains44.8
Velocity (ft/s)2,491
Pressure49,400 CUP
Case: Winchester
Twist: 1:12"
Primer: Winchester LR, Large Rifle
Barrel Length: 26"
Trim Length: 2.005"
Bullet Weight200 GR. HDY SP
Starting Loads Starting Load: Minimum load required. If a starting load is not populated, it often denotes a subsonic load.
Maximum Loads
Manufacturer
Powder
Bullet Diam.
C.O.L. C.O.L.: Cartridge Overall Length
Grs.
Vel. (ft/s) Velocity: The speed of the bullet in flight.
Pressure Pressure: The force exerted by burning powder measured in Copper Units of Pressure (CUP) or Pounds per Square Inch (PSI).
Grs. Grains: If the value is followed by a C, it denotes a compressed load.
Vel. (ft/s) Velocity: The speed of the bullet in flight.
Pressure Pressure: The force exerted by burning powder measured in Copper Units of Pressure (CUP) or Pounds per Square Inch (PSI).
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderVarget
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains47.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,376
Pressure41,100 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains51.0C
Velocity (ft/s)2,527
Pressure47,900 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderBL-C(2)
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains49.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,329
Pressure31,500 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains52.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,464
Pressure41,800 CUP
Barrel Length: 26"
Case: Winchester
Primer: Winchester LR, Large Rifle
Trim Length: 2.005"
Twist: 1:12"
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderH335
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains44.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,300
Pressure40,000 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains48.5
Velocity (ft/s)2,484
Pressure48,400 CUP
Barrel Length: 26"
Case: Winchester
Primer: Winchester LR, Large Rifle
Trim Length: 2.005"
Twist: 1:12"
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderH4895
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains44.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,316
Pressure40,200 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains48.0C
Velocity (ft/s)2,519
Pressure49,800 CUP
Barrel Length: 26"
Case: Winchester
Primer: Winchester LR, Large Rifle
Trim Length: 2.005"
Twist: 1:12"
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderBenchmark
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains42.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,319
Pressure42,700 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains46.2
Velocity (ft/s)2,494
Pressure50,000 CUP
Barrel Length: 26"
Case: Winchester
Primer: Winchester LR, Large Rifle
Trim Length: 2.005"
Twist: 1:12"
200 GR. HDY SP
ManufacturerHodgdon
PowderH322
Bullet Diameter.358"
C.O.L.2.650"
Starting Load
Grains40.0
Velocity (ft/s)2,306
Pressure45,400 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains44.8
Velocity (ft/s)2,491
Pressure49,400 CUP
Deputy819
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For some reason I've stopped getting alerts on this thread. Anywho...so, I ended up ordering a Beast 4-port muzzle brake from Muzzle Brakes & More. Installed it yesterday and WOW what a difference. Feels like I'm shooting my old 22-250. Without it shot strings (groups of 3) above 2 or 3 at a time and I was ready to call it a day. I highly recommend Nathan's (LRH member "IdahoCTD") brakes!
There's absolutely NO WAY I can stuff the listed max charge (Hodgdon) of IMR3031 for a 200gr bullet into the Starline cases I am using and have a consistent seating depth. At 49gr the powder will actually push the bullet back out a little after seating it. So, after a little messing around I've settled on (for now) 47.0gr IMR3031 and .010 off the lands for the 200gr Sierra Pro Hunter. Consistently gives solid 1" groups at 100 yards and the last shot string of this combo gave a standard deviation of 4 and extreme spread of 9 to the tune of 2450ish fps......according to the Magnetospeed. Plenty good enough for a "woods gun".
There's absolutely NO WAY I can stuff the listed max charge (Hodgdon) of IMR3031 for a 200gr bullet into the Starline cases I am using and have a consistent seating depth. At 49gr the powder will actually push the bullet back out a little after seating it. So, after a little messing around I've settled on (for now) 47.0gr IMR3031 and .010 off the lands for the 200gr Sierra Pro Hunter. Consistently gives solid 1" groups at 100 yards and the last shot string of this combo gave a standard deviation of 4 and extreme spread of 9 to the tune of 2450ish fps......according to the Magnetospeed. Plenty good enough for a "woods gun".
I am using Starline brass with 50.1g IMR4064 right to the top of the case using a 200g RN SGK bullet seated to the crimp ring, Great accuracy. 26" barrel giving 2650fps: My hunting rifle for this year.
Deputy819
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Well, I sure couldn't do that. What dies are you using?
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Hand Skills
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@Deputy819 - I always stop getting alerts to a thread after a few pages, even though I'm still subscribed. It's a pretty annoying bug.
As for your case capacity issue, Round Nose bullets are always shorter than Spitzers - this can yield a little more case capacity given the same overall length.
Glad you're enjoying the .358, thanks for the update!
As for your case capacity issue, Round Nose bullets are always shorter than Spitzers - this can yield a little more case capacity given the same overall length.
Glad you're enjoying the .358, thanks for the update!
Deputy819
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Does your seater die automatically implement a roll/taper crimp?
Mistake, the Dies are Redding
