Well, since your picking on the old 30-30, I suppose it to could be used in this comparison. Necked down to 7mm it is a 7-30 Waters. A great cartridge in its own right for the Contender and levers. This too fills the niches in the 7mm lineup. I just do not see the purpose of the 28 Nosler. Someone needs to run Quickload on the RUM vs The NOSLER with the heavy bullets. Say 175 gr, 180 gr and the 195 gr to really see if there is a true ballistic difference.
I personally think it is Noslers attempt to step up to the batting plate and take a swing at Remington on the 7mm and the 30 Nosler the Winchester Name. To me it is hype, smoke and mirrors,,Ultimately. Hype.
Lets see the 338 Nosler made and see if it stacks up against the 338 Lapua! POINT MADE. Or even worse the 338-378
I predict you will not actually read this post but you will reply to something not in the post, same as your reference to the 30-30 being very different from mine...
Dude, no one was "picking on" the 30-30. It was the first smokeless powder cartridge so I used it as an example of "it's all been done before, so why bother".
As for "hype", is this a bad thing? Does it make Nosler less than Winchester or Remington? Both of those "hyped" their products in the 1800s and still do. So does Ruger, S&W, Colt and Kellogg, well everyone. It's only smoke and mirrors if they don't make the products. They are making the products. So really, what's your beef with Nosler? It has to be something else.
I guess you don't follow my threads on the 26-Nosler wildcats, I'm good with that as it puts me in a position of more knowledge, LOL. I took my cow elk with my 338/26-Nosler. Again you are using a point of view that bigger/faster is always better. Not something I subscribe to.
Truth in advertising my 338/26-Nosler will have more capacity than the 33-Nosler. Why? Noslers obstinate ballistitian and lawers. They shortened the case by .100 just like Remington did with the 338 RUM vs the 7 and 300. Can you spell S T U P I D.
Now performance wise, of course the 338/26-Nosler can't propel bullets of the same weight at the same speeds the 338/378 Weatherby or 338/300 RUM and the big 338 wildcats. However in 338 caliber the xx-Nosler is at a pretty nice efficiency point. Comparing it to the 338LM is probably appropriate.
The cartridges to compare to the Nosler are the 338 Winchester and 338 LM. Like the 338 Win, the Nosler uses a standard magnum bolt face, the LM does not. Like the 338 Win, the Nosler will fit in a "standard" long action aka a "normal" R700, the LM requires a bit if beefing up. Example a 338/26-Nosler will pretty much fit in anything that can take a 338 Win but the LM can not. With the diameter of the base and case, 1" tenon actions like the Model 70 and Ruger #1 don't leave enough material for safe operation for the LM. In the same rifles the 338/26-Nosler is fine, as are the WSM, WinMags and RUMs.
Performance wise: Of course we all know that the 338Win is not "best" for long range when trying to throw heavy projectiles. The LM is better at this but the 338/26-Nosler is not far off. I will reference only my QL models with the LM data checked against a manufacturers data.
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The same barrel length: 26"
The same pressures: 60,930psi (LM is in CUP of 52,000: PSI = -17902+(1.516*CUP))
The same bullet: Lapua Scenar 250
The same amount of bullet into the case neck: .593
338/26-Nosler 3011fps with 88.4 grains of 7828ssc
338 Lapua 2904fps with 87.4grains of 7828ssc
The case capacity of the Lapua is less than the 338/26-Nosler. This is because of the taper and shoulder angles.
I would be quite willing to run both these loads in my Mark V actions. I would be afraid to run the Lapua in a R700 based action unless it was a beefed up version like Stiller or Bat.
Now regarding the 28-Nosler vs. the 7mmSTW. Same applies. The 28-Nosler has more capacity in a shorter case.
