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Nosler brass didn't last very long in my 28 Nos, I was losing cases after 6-7 moderate loads.
Totally ridiculous at $3 a pop, ADG brass should kick *** though
28 nosler, 300rum or 300prc ?
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Totally ridiculous at $3 a pop, ADG brass should kick *** though
MudRunner2005
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I have more hot loadings on Nosler 7mmRM & 7mm STW brass than that, but I do think the ADG brass would be worth trying for the price.
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Trm82
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Your wrong there , my nosler 28 brass has always lasted for ever with some hot loads. A box of 25 I have 6 loadings shooting 180 vldh at 3240 FPS. It's good brass!!
greatwhitehntr
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I hate nosler brass but we all know that.
I have no BS about 300 1 fired 28 nosler brass that all show signs of pressure do to being soft. Be for you go off the deep end
Let me give you a few details. About half of this brass was factory loaded 28 nosler 175lrab and it showed signs in 40° weather.
3 custom 28's long throat's,1 Christensen, 1 Cooper, 1 fierce
2 of the guns got sent back and got checked. They have had similar issues at the factory with factory loaded ammo
6 guns say crap.
If it works for you great I am glad it works for someone just not me. I wish it did.
I have no BS about 300 1 fired 28 nosler brass that all show signs of pressure do to being soft. Be for you go off the deep end
Let me give you a few details. About half of this brass was factory loaded 28 nosler 175lrab and it showed signs in 40° weather.
3 custom 28's long throat's,1 Christensen, 1 Cooper, 1 fierce
2 of the guns got sent back and got checked. They have had similar issues at the factory with factory loaded ammo
6 guns say crap.
If it works for you great I am glad it works for someone just not me. I wish it did.
greatwhitehntr
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BERTRAM is good, soon ADG and Peterson will have 28 nosler brass.
Life will be good for the 28nos
Life will be good for the 28nos
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Not barrel life
lancetkenyon
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Brass in a hot cartridge is a consumable. Like a barrel. 6 firings is pretty good for 28 Nosler brass in my opinion. You are not shooting a 6.5x47L w. SRP Lapua brass.....pay to play.
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If it were me I'd go with the 300 rum. Tons of energy and it's a 30 cal
MudRunner2005
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People seem to forget that no matter how advanced technology gets, there's only so much we can do with brass metallic cartridges for longevity and work-hardening. And that the bigger and more powerful your cartridge gets, the more diminishing returns you will get. For a hotrod cartridge brass, 6-7 firings is a fair lifespan. I've gotten more than 6-7 on STW brass before, but as long as I get 5-6 firings out of them, I'm happy.
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I want to get a new rifle and I can't get it in the cal I want. ( 300 wby mag )
Already have 300 win mag shooting 215 hybrids, and I love it, but want to get a little more performance in order to shoot 225g ELD-M, 230 Hybrids, and the 245 when they release them
I think the 300 Wby could work fine because it has a long neck, more capacity, kick is similar to 300 win and good factory ammo is available.
If I can't get it in 300 wby, what would you choose???
Already have 300 win mag shooting 215 hybrids, and I love it, but want to get a little more performance in order to shoot 225g ELD-M, 230 Hybrids, and the 245 when they release them
I think the 300 Wby could work fine because it has a long neck, more capacity, kick is similar to 300 win and good factory ammo is available.
If I can't get it in 300 wby, what would you choose???
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This was an interesting observation from Broz on the 7mm 195 killing elk from this thread;
https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/7mm-sherman-short-mag-vs-300-win-mag.170582/page-2
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"But since I spent last fall killing elk like a mad man (70 elk taken total) and the 300 win with a 215 Hybrid @3035 and the 7-300with a 195 @2950 were the two rifles use most for the first of many kills, let me offer some real world long range hunting results. PS, both rifles loaded to max with equal pressure signs.
First, to the OP, you are cheating your 300 win with the 210 VLD. It is no doubt that the 195 is one of, if not the best bullets for external ballistics there is for a 7. So lets offer the same to the 300 win and feed it a 215 Hybrid with a much higher BC than the 210 VLD. It is only fair to compare hybrid ogive to hybrid ogive right? Plus the 215 Hybrid with its shorter bearing surface than the 210 VLD will actually get more velocity than a 210 with less powder. Been there done it over and over.
Now lets go kill elk. I mentioned the 300 win and the 7-300 were the two most used rifles during a good part of last season here. This included a pre-season management hunt, all season long. And a post-season management hunt. Some nights we even had these two rifles side by side with a different hunter on each rifle while we waited in the blind for the elk to enter the hay field. Here are the results. The 215 Hybrid will out kill the 195 in a way so obvious after about a 15 or 20 elk taken with the 7 I put it away. The 300 with a 215 , not once needed a second shot to dispatch the elk. The 7mm, several needed a second shot. Now, add in the real world possibility of a less than perfectly placed shot and the advantage in terminal performance of the 300 with a 215 becomes even more evident.
This I feel is a great comparison. Why?
1: Because all this info is real and happened.
2: Same parent case were used.
3: Same powder were used
4: Same barrel brand and length were used same number of lands and groves
5: Repeated results were studied with several witnesses
6: I personally field dressed about 50 elk and documented the terminal performance, wound channels and shot placements myself
7: Optimum bullet used for each chambering
8: Both with the same muzzle brakes and barrel contour.
Since I just happen to have both of these rifles in my ballistic app, with drops documented to a mile and confirmed. Lets compare the real world external ballistics.
7-300 win with 195 Berger @ 2950
800 yards 10 mph 3:00 wind
dial up 15.9 moa right 2.6 moa
impact velocity 2150 energy 2000"
300 win with 215 Hybrid @ 3035
800 yards with 10 mph 3:00 wind
dial up 15.0 moa and right 2.8 moa
impact velocity 2141 energy 2188
7mm takes .2 moa less wind (one click)
300 has 1 moa less drop (4 clicks)
300 arrives with 188 lbs more energy.
I used 800 yards because the OP was about at that distance for his comparison. And 400 to 850 were where we took all of these elk. But if you want to go further the same trend in results will only magnify the advantages of each.
So I offer these documented results for those who are trying to decide between the 7 and the 30. It will always boil down to personal needs. But if elk are ever going to be in your freezer, under equal conditions, the 30 cal will out kill the 7 all day long."
https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/7mm-sherman-short-mag-vs-300-win-mag.170582/page-2
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"But since I spent last fall killing elk like a mad man (70 elk taken total) and the 300 win with a 215 Hybrid @3035 and the 7-300with a 195 @2950 were the two rifles use most for the first of many kills, let me offer some real world long range hunting results. PS, both rifles loaded to max with equal pressure signs.
First, to the OP, you are cheating your 300 win with the 210 VLD. It is no doubt that the 195 is one of, if not the best bullets for external ballistics there is for a 7. So lets offer the same to the 300 win and feed it a 215 Hybrid with a much higher BC than the 210 VLD. It is only fair to compare hybrid ogive to hybrid ogive right? Plus the 215 Hybrid with its shorter bearing surface than the 210 VLD will actually get more velocity than a 210 with less powder. Been there done it over and over.
Now lets go kill elk. I mentioned the 300 win and the 7-300 were the two most used rifles during a good part of last season here. This included a pre-season management hunt, all season long. And a post-season management hunt. Some nights we even had these two rifles side by side with a different hunter on each rifle while we waited in the blind for the elk to enter the hay field. Here are the results. The 215 Hybrid will out kill the 195 in a way so obvious after about a 15 or 20 elk taken with the 7 I put it away. The 300 with a 215 , not once needed a second shot to dispatch the elk. The 7mm, several needed a second shot. Now, add in the real world possibility of a less than perfectly placed shot and the advantage in terminal performance of the 300 with a 215 becomes even more evident.
This I feel is a great comparison. Why?
1: Because all this info is real and happened.
2: Same parent case were used.
3: Same powder were used
4: Same barrel brand and length were used same number of lands and groves
5: Repeated results were studied with several witnesses
6: I personally field dressed about 50 elk and documented the terminal performance, wound channels and shot placements myself
7: Optimum bullet used for each chambering
8: Both with the same muzzle brakes and barrel contour.
Since I just happen to have both of these rifles in my ballistic app, with drops documented to a mile and confirmed. Lets compare the real world external ballistics.
7-300 win with 195 Berger @ 2950
800 yards 10 mph 3:00 wind
dial up 15.9 moa right 2.6 moa
impact velocity 2150 energy 2000"
300 win with 215 Hybrid @ 3035
800 yards with 10 mph 3:00 wind
dial up 15.0 moa and right 2.8 moa
impact velocity 2141 energy 2188
7mm takes .2 moa less wind (one click)
300 has 1 moa less drop (4 clicks)
300 arrives with 188 lbs more energy.
I used 800 yards because the OP was about at that distance for his comparison. And 400 to 850 were where we took all of these elk. But if you want to go further the same trend in results will only magnify the advantages of each.
So I offer these documented results for those who are trying to decide between the 7 and the 30. It will always boil down to personal needs. But if elk are ever going to be in your freezer, under equal conditions, the 30 cal will out kill the 7 all day long."
MudRunner2005
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Seems to me that 7-300WM with the 195 is being handicapped by a nearly 100 FPS MV decrease over the .300WM with the 215...
100 FPS MV isn't much, but in the end, it's still 100 FPS...
I have two 300 rum and one 7mm rum. Love them all. Just remember the rum has been around along time and is very forgiving on reloads. A lot of the new 300's are not as much and you can still find ammo in stores. The 300 rum can get close to a 338 lapua as far as energy at a 1000. Components are still easy to get. A lot of talk about the new but none of them are anymore Versatel than the rum. Don't for get about the 30- 378 brass is exspensive.
