Sullu2, Maybe it isn't the same as they load in factory loads. I'm looking at the CM cartridge (which is close to the 260). If someone were to back off the max load of the CM,would it not at least be possible to start there? I only asked if someone has tried it. I did not intend to ruffle any feathers. As far as your comment about "dunderheads" goes i personally think it was poor judgement on your part to resort to a statement like that. Everyone has a question from time to time as well as i'm sure you do.We are all adults here. Lets not resort to profiling anyone who asks a simple question. My mom always said if you can't be nice , be quiet.