156gr Berger EOL Elite Hunter Reviews

[DocTorT]

If you can get them 2750+ out of a creed, they should work good. If your temps where you hunt don't get too high, I would try Reloder 26. If you want more stability, try VV-N565. If neither of those are an option, Reloder 16, stable, similar to H4350 but a little more velocity. If you can't get rl16, H4350 or H4831sc. If you can't get any of those, you will have to wait a few months after Trump wins the election before anything becomes available.....ha ha

Could you do me a favor and PM me? My messages aren't working on my phone.
Noticed you're in AZ, I am as well.
Would like to chat more about 6.5CM with the 156s

 

[FURMAN]

The bullet weight debate is never ending and believe what you like. My options are based on real experiences.

LOL! Physics on earth is not debatable. Think what you want. Mass matters when it is the fragmentation killing. It matters to a less extent with cup and cores like an accubond or aframe. More mass=more fragments(with frangible bullets)= more damage to vitals. It matters even more when you make a less than perfect shot or poor wind call.

 

[codyadams]

Could you do me a favor and PM me? My messages aren't working on my phone.
Noticed you're in AZ, I am as well.
Would like to chat more about 6.5CM with the 156s

I believe you have to make some more posts before you are allowed to p.m. people on here, a saftey protocol against hackers I believe. I couldn't send one to you either.

I'm actually out of South West Wyoming, but it is all good. I have loaded the 156's in one 6.5 cm, a couple 6.5x284's, my .260 AI, and a couple .264 wm's. With all those, I have seen around 20 animals taken with the 156's. Prior to that, I witnessed/took around 40 animals with the 140 Berger vld's. Oddly enough the 140's seemed to exit a little more often, but the 156's seemed to anchor animals better, this wasn't as apparent with perfect shots, but on a couple deer that were hit with liver shots, they were unable to run away, and allowed for a follow up shot that anchored them. I have seen several deer hit there with other bullets, and very often they run a long ways, at least out of sight prior to stopping and/or dieing. Neither of these took more than 10 or so steps, both were on video.

 

[DocTorT]

I believe you have to make some more posts before you are allowed to p.m. people on here, a saftey protocol against hackers I believe. I couldn't send one to you either.

I'm actually out of South West Wyoming, but it is all good. I have loaded the 156's in one 6.5 cm, a couple 6.5x284's, my .260 AI, and a couple .264 wm's. With all those, I have seen around 20 animals taken with the 156's. Prior to that, I witnessed/took around 40 animals with the 140 Berger vld's. Oddly enough the 140's seemed to exit a little more often, but the 156's seemed to anchor animals better, this wasn't as apparent with perfect shots, but on a couple deer that were hit with liver shots, they were unable to run away, and allowed for a follow up shot that anchored them. I have seen several deer hit there with other bullets, and very often they run a long ways, at least out of sight prior to stopping and/or dieing. Neither of these took more than 10 or so steps, both were on video.

Good to know about the messaging- guess I'll get to posting more!
Did you by any chance chrono the 156's in your CM?
Out here in AZ the majority of shots I see taken are in the 200-400 range and I would imagine that is enough velocity/energy for any elk/mule deer out here (based on what you've said and many others)

 

[ZReed85]

Good to know about the messaging- guess I'll get to posting more!
Did you by any chance chrono the 156's in your CM?
Out here in AZ the majority of shots I see taken are in the 200-400 range and I would imagine that is enough velocity/energy for any elk/mule deer out here (based on what you've said and many others)

I have ran the 156 over 2800 in my 25 inch creed with both n560 and rl26.. no pressure with either and great accuracy

 

[DocTorT]

I have ran the 156 over 2800 in my 25 inch creed with both n560 and rl26.. no pressure with either and great accuracy

You had mentioned the N 565 as well?
I have access to that and IMR 4350

 

[FURMAN]

I believe you have to make some more posts before you are allowed to p.m. people on here, a saftey protocol against hackers I believe. I couldn't send one to you either.

I'm actually out of South West Wyoming, but it is all good. I have loaded the 156's in one 6.5 cm, a couple 6.5x284's, my .260 AI, and a couple .264 wm's. With all those, I have seen around 20 animals taken with the 156's. Prior to that, I witnessed/took around 40 animals with the 140 Berger vld's. Oddly enough the 140's seemed to exit a little more often, but the 156's seemed to anchor animals better, this wasn't as apparent with perfect shots, but on a couple deer that were hit with liver shots, they were unable to run away, and allowed for a follow up shot that anchored them. I have seen several deer hit there with other bullets, and very often they run a long ways, at least out of sight prior to stopping and/or dieing. Neither of these took more than 10 or so steps, both were on video.

Cody, I know you kill a lot of animals. I can't remember if you have killed many with 7s and 180s. Do you have a good comparison(even if anecdotal) between 7s with 180s and 6.5s with 156s?

 

[sw282]

Back in the Last Century we had CoreLocks, PowerPoints, and Partitions.

Big Game animals loved them ''DEATH''

I bet they STILL do

What say YOU?

 

[codyadams]

Cody, I know you kill a lot of animals. I can't remember if you have killed many with 7s and 180s. Do you have a good comparison(even if anecdotal) between 7s with 180s and 6.5s with 156s?

We have around 15 or so animals with the 180 VLD's at 3060 fps and also around 20, maybe more with the 170 .277 Berger EOL's at 2940, my cousin has ran both those in his 7 mag and .270 Sherman.

From what we have seen, they have all be very similar, the 7mm 180 seems to have the least amount of exits on the big mulies and elk, but nothing shot with any of these bullets have traveled more than 100 yards, including at least 8 elk I can think of off hand. Granted, most of the animals we take are pronghorn, and not exactly hard to kill, and all of these bullets exited on pronghorn every time I can recall, but they love to run after being hit, and you can really see the difference in hydrostatic shock from bullets in a pronghorn reaction. To anchor a pronghorn in it's tracks with a lung/heart shot without doing damage to the spine or other form of CNS, is no small feat. It takes either close range, high velocity, or a ton of shock from the bullet.

I spent this year testing a 270 grain monolithic 338 bullet, and while it performed great on pronghorn, they weren't anchored any harder than the small Berger bullets. Actually, one that had a perfect top of heart shot at over 600 yards ran nearly 200 yards flat out before slowing down and tipping over, about 10 seconds or more, something I haven't seen with the smaller Bergers. Inside was absolute destruction, but something about the fragmenting from Bergers just anchors the small to mid sized game.

 

[INVICTUS]

Bergers are JUNK!! just read that 13 page thread on the 215.
I couldn't resist.

I did read it. I read how
Someone misused a product that clearly says right on the box "not for hunting use".
Which target bullet would suggest for hunting large game??

 

[Backcountry sports]

Bergers are JUNK!! just read that 13 page thread on the 215.
I couldn't resist.

I've been shooting bergers for years 14 elk one shot kills 168 7mm vld work every time

 

[Mitchelldekok]

My brother just shot a bull elk last week. 250 yds with the 140 vlds out of his CM at 2800 fps. Bull dropped where it was standing!

 

[Defiance7mm]

I know I'm opening a can of worms with this post... But just don't think the risk of lead poison is worth it. Thats just how I feel for myself and my family. Not telling anyone not to use lead bullets, just sharing info

Lead in Meat

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[FURMAN]

We have around 15 or so animals with the 180 VLD's at 3060 fps and also around 20, maybe more with the 170 .277 Berger EOL's at 2940, my cousin has ran both those in his 7 mag and .270 Sherman.

From what we have seen, they have all be very similar, the 7mm 180 seems to have the least amount of exits on the big mulies and elk, but nothing shot with any of these bullets have traveled more than 100 yards, including at least 8 elk I can think of off hand. Granted, most of the animals we take are pronghorn, and not exactly hard to kill, and all of these bullets exited on pronghorn every time I can recall, but they love to run after being hit, and you can really see the difference in hydrostatic shock from bullets in a pronghorn reaction. To anchor a pronghorn in it's tracks with a lung/heart shot without doing damage to the spine or other form of CNS, is no small feat. It takes either close range, high velocity, or a ton of shock from the bullet.

I spent this year testing a 270 grain monolithic 338 bullet, and while it performed great on pronghorn, they weren't anchored any harder than the small Berger bullets. Actually, one that had a perfect top of heart shot at over 600 yards ran nearly 200 yards flat out before slowing down and tipping over, about 10 seconds or more, something I haven't seen with the smaller Bergers. Inside was absolute destruction, but something about the fragmenting from Bergers just anchors the small to mid sized game.

Thanks! Ya, I have actually seen more antelope run than any other animal I have shot. I am liking what I am seeing with the 156. I am shooting the CEB 185 in 7 this year. I am also going to try to get a couple 190LRHTs and 184 Hybrids in some deer.