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Gerard Schultz
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Ok. The twist rate of the barrel will be 1:8" and we know what the bore/groove dimension is. If you let me know which cartridge we are shooting them from and what the maximum target distance is, I can make a recommendation.
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I'm not having any issues, I've never used your bullets. I have a new 30 cal rifle in progress and was considering trying this bullet. The freebore will be about .0003" - .0005" larger than the groove diameter
Gerard Schultz
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Edd I understand. If the chamber has not been cut yet, let me have the reamer drawing, otherwise, ask the smith to measure the freebore diameter ahead of the case mouth. The specification I need to make the basic right recommendation is the barrel bore/groove/twist, the cartridge/case volume, the probable target (hunting or target) and the maximum distance required. The reamer drawing is always good to have and answers many questions. It cuts out a lot of back and forth correspondence and allows us to get to a good bullet quicker.
FEENIX,
I see that the Wildcat 169.5 is in very short supply. Do you have any?
FEENIX,
I see that the Wildcat 169.5 is in very short supply. Do you have any?
Indeed they are! Sorry I don't have any or have hands on experience with them. This is why I went with Matrix 165/175 for my .270 AI as it is readily available for me for my intended purpose, ... also looking forward to Berger's 170.
Kirby Allen of APS Rifles (LRH site sponsor) has very extensive knowledge and field experience with the Wildcat 169.5 on his .270 AM (Allen Magnum Wildcats).
Cheers!
Gerard Schultz
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FEENIX,
That leaves you with only the Matrix range of two to choose from, for now. We have another option to throw into the mix (I presume that one could call 3 different bullets a mix?
). I will get the links and let you know.
That leaves you with only the Matrix range of two to choose from, for now. We have another option to throw into the mix (I presume that one could call 3 different bullets a mix?
). I will get the links and let you know.bigngreen
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GS, indeed I have not used the HV 110 specifically on elk, many Barnes and other GS HV's and I found that for the wound channel and the ballistics I can pick a Barnes bullet up of the shelf at my local store and have very similar results.
You want us to think that you just brought us a new solution, it's nothing new, the light for cal copper bullets driven fast was all the rage 15-20 years ago. I still will use a Barnes for some things in the light and fast concept but NOT on elk, it's proven unreliable over the long term.
My mind is very open, that's why I test so many bullets from different manufacture to see how they function, I was shooting the 165/175 Matrix before they were on the web site and I have a couple other 270 bullet that are not listed in the 170 gr weight range, I know exactly what twist rate I need for them and I know at this given elevation the will stabilize even from a slower 270 Win with a 1-10 twist. I know they are very seating depth tolerant and shot well at mag length but I've found shooting heavy for cal bullet negates the need for follow up shots so I do seat mine out as far as I can and single load them.
How many elk have you shot or even seen shot? I used to shoot elk with a 300 Weatherby, I shot all 165 and 168 gr Barnes bullets as fast as I could and I saw no reason they were not excellent. I then got the opportunity to shoot elk in open fields, they stay out there and nothing to hide in and the first two years we saw almost 400+ elk taken and a very stark reality became evident that over the years I'd lost elk because of my light for cal bullet choice, about a third of my bullets failed to reach vitals due to deflection. This is what drove me to look for a new mouse trap, and the only bullets I found were Berger or Match kings that were heavy for cal. so I ran them and found on elk my percentage of one shot kills when through the roof and all bullets made it to the vitals. Got a 270 WSM about the time the Matrix started with the 165's and I've seen probably close to 60 elk taken with that bullet alone with not a single bullet failing to penetrate the vitals and only two elk shot more than once though neither really needed a second shot.
I know your not pleased someone would not recommend your bullet universally but I really don't care about that, all I care about is cleanly killing game and there is no bullet that works perfectly across the board, take elk out of the conversation and it would be totally different!!
You want us to think that you just brought us a new solution, it's nothing new, the light for cal copper bullets driven fast was all the rage 15-20 years ago. I still will use a Barnes for some things in the light and fast concept but NOT on elk, it's proven unreliable over the long term.
My mind is very open, that's why I test so many bullets from different manufacture to see how they function, I was shooting the 165/175 Matrix before they were on the web site and I have a couple other 270 bullet that are not listed in the 170 gr weight range, I know exactly what twist rate I need for them and I know at this given elevation the will stabilize even from a slower 270 Win with a 1-10 twist. I know they are very seating depth tolerant and shot well at mag length but I've found shooting heavy for cal bullet negates the need for follow up shots so I do seat mine out as far as I can and single load them.
How many elk have you shot or even seen shot? I used to shoot elk with a 300 Weatherby, I shot all 165 and 168 gr Barnes bullets as fast as I could and I saw no reason they were not excellent. I then got the opportunity to shoot elk in open fields, they stay out there and nothing to hide in and the first two years we saw almost 400+ elk taken and a very stark reality became evident that over the years I'd lost elk because of my light for cal bullet choice, about a third of my bullets failed to reach vitals due to deflection. This is what drove me to look for a new mouse trap, and the only bullets I found were Berger or Match kings that were heavy for cal. so I ran them and found on elk my percentage of one shot kills when through the roof and all bullets made it to the vitals. Got a 270 WSM about the time the Matrix started with the 165's and I've seen probably close to 60 elk taken with that bullet alone with not a single bullet failing to penetrate the vitals and only two elk shot more than once though neither really needed a second shot.
I know your not pleased someone would not recommend your bullet universally but I really don't care about that, all I care about is cleanly killing game and there is no bullet that works perfectly across the board, take elk out of the conversation and it would be totally different!!
gohring3006
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With all do respect, Mr. Schultz I have to agree with Bigngreen. I can pick up a bullet off the shelf with similar results and I don't have to know throat diameter or non of that, it just seems like your over complicating it, when I can grab a Berger,smk,or a Barnes off the shelf of any gun store and go shooting....
FEENIX,
That leaves you with only the Matrix range of two to choose from, for now. We have another option to throw into the mix (I presume that one could call 3 different bullets a mix?
Even though my .270 AI shoots primarily Matrix 165s and 175s, I have plenty of various bullets in 130s to 150s on hand and readily available locally.
tony m
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Well , I started this thread and have to say expected this response about gsc product..none of you have tried it. I have seen game killed , with many calibers, various bullet configurations etc.were most years we would see numerous bull elk bagged.I live in the Elk Valley on land .We feed , chase , sometimes chased by elk all winter.It is a constant here.Putting the hyperbole aside, two things matter1- skill in the field 2- bullet performance.Put a well constructed 220 swift bullet through an elk and it will be terminal at moderate ranges.Hello my friend Canadian Bushman, I do have very , very good shoes, for the very human moments.Take care.
Canadian Bushman
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Tony,
I know you mainly posted this for discussion, but do you honestly plan to take elk with a 110gn 277 bullet?
If so, whats your reason if you have larger calibers?
Gerard Schultz
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bigngreen,
I am concerned about this because with every comparison that has been made, using a variety of monos side by side, the comparison result has been very flattering to GSC. I am further concerned that you post as follows:
To put things in perspective and so that everyone knows where I come from, a brief synopsys of my experience with firerarms is probably appropriate: I started shooting when I was about 6.
I shot my first springbok at the age of eight in 1958 with a 7x57 Oberndorf Mauser with Kynoch 173 gr ammunition. Since then, I hunted on and off until 1979 when I started a gunsmithing and firearms dealer shop. The gunsmith waiting list generally ran about two years. Amongst others, I worked on H&H doubles, Perazzi shotguns and built my share of bench, bisley, custom hunting rifles and race guns for Practical Pistol Shooting. Reloading started in 1976 and currently I have 34 die sets but I have sold and traded many more. I have apprenticed 3 gunsmiths through to their trade test, taught many hundreds of young men to hunt and to reload, and taught classes in defensive shooting. I qualified as a Senior Range Officer and Instructor in IPSC and acted as huntmaster for plains game hunts from 1986 to 2004. For about three years in the mid 90's I culled game for the venison market. All told I have personally shot in excess of 1000 head of (African) game and witnessed the shooting of a couple of thousand more. In 1982 I started casting handgun bullets and gave it up in 1992 when I started turning rifle bullets with CNC. With all this said, I am eternally grateful that I was placed in the right spot at the right time.
Please forgive the appearance and the demeanor, I mean well.
gohring3006,
That is what reloaders and shooters have been doing for decades and, every so often, things go wrong. It is the reason why I started making my own bullets. There are many small improvements that one can make and, maybe some or the other detail does not concern an individual but collectively needs solving and pushing forwards. Your comment is typical of someone who has not compared products finely enough and there is no blame or finger pointing here. I just ask that GSC must not be assumed to be the same as another product. I know what is in the market and I know what the differences are.
FEENIX,
GSC is availble in the USA as well. Gina, my daughter, who has been running GSC in South Africa since 1999, started the USA factory in 2012. We are proud to be as American Made as what it is possible to be and I hope to retire in the USA in the future. What a great country you have.
Canadian Bushman,
I apologise for the long and wordy post.
Having looked at your history of posts, I find it difficult to believe that you have used GSC bullets on any game at all. There is no record from you of how GSC performed terminally, going back to the beginning of 2011.
I am concerned about this because with every comparison that has been made, using a variety of monos side by side, the comparison result has been very flattering to GSC. I am further concerned that you post as follows:
The implication is that you have not bothered to fully look at our product. There is much more to it than just more speed. I get the feeling that GSC is being lumped into the bunch of monos manufactured by other makers. The fact is that GSC bullets are different from any other and I am willing to show how. Please forgive my point of view, but there is no other way of saying it. You must consider that I have been getting this from non users of GSC HV products for the better part of 15 years. Once a hunter has used the product, or if he looks into the product more carefully, he sees the differences.
I have not shot a single elk or seen one shot by someone using GSC HV bullets. How many African animals have you shot?
To put things in perspective and so that everyone knows where I come from, a brief synopsys of my experience with firerarms is probably appropriate: I started shooting when I was about 6.
We care about the same thing, my social skills are probably just not functioning so well.
Please forgive the appearance and the demeanor, I mean well.gohring3006,
That is what reloaders and shooters have been doing for decades and, every so often, things go wrong. It is the reason why I started making my own bullets. There are many small improvements that one can make and, maybe some or the other detail does not concern an individual but collectively needs solving and pushing forwards. Your comment is typical of someone who has not compared products finely enough and there is no blame or finger pointing here. I just ask that GSC must not be assumed to be the same as another product. I know what is in the market and I know what the differences are.
FEENIX,
GSC is availble in the USA as well. Gina, my daughter, who has been running GSC in South Africa since 1999, started the USA factory in 2012. We are proud to be as American Made as what it is possible to be and I hope to retire in the USA in the future. What a great country you have.
Canadian Bushman,
If I may be so presumptious, I will answer that question: Because GSC has a better mousetrap and it is no longer required to suffer the recoil of a big caliber to get a job done. There is no doubt in my mind that the bullet will get the job done. What do I base it on? - Countless animals such as black wildebeest, gemsbok, impala and blesbok shot with a .224" 40 gr HV. Many kudu, blue wildebeest and eland shot with a 69 gr .243". Red deer taken at distance with an 85 gr HV and a 26-06. Numbers upon numbers of cape buffalo shot with a 195 gr 9.3x62 and a 200 gr .375". There is even a 6 ton bull elephant shot with a frontal brain shot at 15 paces, with a 160 gr HV from a 300Win Mag. The latter was in self defense by a professional hunter and it is the only example where a brain shot was used.
I apologise for the long and wordy post.
Canadian Bushman
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I dont wanna pay for your bullets thats the number #1 reason i dont shoot them.
If i can get a lead bullet with a similar bc as your sp bullets that performs as well as you hv bullets with nearly twice the energy for half the price, why would i?
I can and have taken all sorts of game with a .22lr but im not gonna recommend one to others.
If i can get a lead bullet with a similar bc as your sp bullets that performs as well as you hv bullets with nearly twice the energy for half the price, why would i?
I can and have taken all sorts of game with a .22lr but im not gonna recommend one to others.
