I use a Hornady 100gr BTSP loaded to 3000fps. I use either Accurate Magnum Rifle powder(discontinued) or H4831SC with groups around 1/2" out of my Rem 788 carbine with 18 1/2" bbl. Never had one get away with it. My dad used Hornady 87gr BTHP and knocked down a few deer with it. I use a .308 Model Seven now with Barnes bullets which I swear by for hunting. I have 90gr X bullets I'm loading for my daughter to hunt with. These things expand and penetrate. Good luck