Lmao . Definitely not right when I wake up hahahaI wouldn't bet 100k I could put my drawers on straight
There used to be Postal Matches, remember those?
Yeah I threw in "hunting" rifles to eliminate the 20 pound, small cartridge rifles and stuff haha. I was thinking 12lb max, elk killer type cartridges.
Ah, but some of us kill elk using those lowly creedmoors despite the sentiment here that bullets bounce off elk unless shot from magnums.When I thinking "hunting" my mind immediately goes to a gun capable of killing an elk. I should have been more specific to begin with.
Its interesting. I'm at the same point as you where I'm loading for buddies with really light magnums and I much prefer a heavier gun with lighter recoil, even for my backpack hunting. What's also interesting is watching some of these guys shoot. They buy a lightweight hunting rifle in XXX magnum, with an accuracy guarantee, but they cannot shoot them worth a ****. Especially once off the bench and practicing actual field conditions. But hey, clearly the rifle MFGs are doing something right to get guys to buy them like candy with those expectations you mention.The reason I thought of this thread was because I was loading 195 Berger's for a buddy's 8lb 28 Nosler and he seemed a little disappointed that it wouldn't consistently hold small groups. I told him it's about 1 MOA platform. I said it's either easy to carry, or easy to shoot. Pick better next time . But there is a lot of unreal expectations out there. Like fierce showing a factory .4" 3 shot group to go with some of their rifles. But when my dad got his fierce rifle, it wouldn't even chamber a piece of brass. Wonder how they got that group???? . Or the 300 PRC gunwerks I'm shooting that kicks like a **** mule and can barely hold a 5 shot 1 MOA group. I'd love to see them lay down a 10 shot .7" group with it lol.
But I totally bought into all that crap when I first started shooting also.
First things first. I don't have $100K for someone to hold, do you? LOL!Does anyone have a HUNTING rifle that they'd honestly bet $100K that they can lay down, on demand, and shoot a sub 1/2 MOA, 5 shot group with?
While at a pigeon shoot, one of the guys with us worked at a bank. He remarked that he saw more cash there than he had ever seen at the bank.At my first engineering job in the early '80's, one of our suppliers was a father and son who were avid shotgunners. The son talked about the betting that went on in crazy quail and live pidgeon shoots. Given this was 1983, $50K back then would be >$180K now.
Sure, not one group. But if you repeat several 3 shot groups, you have a pretty good proof of what your poi will be on your first shot when hunting. Also, 100yard groups don't readily show the difference between the good from the better.
I shoot at 200 to get a better look.