100 or 200 Yard Zero???

I've been hunting all my life & am now very mature. The overwhelming amount of deer & elk I have take has been at or under 200yds. Many under 100. Some times in the timber , some times in very open country. I sight my very flat shooting 6.5's to be 1 1/2" high at 100. That puts me dead on at 200 to 225. Both my deer & elk taken this last season was at about 80 yds. The year before about 185 yds. At 1 1/2" high at 100 allows me to hold on the body of deer or elk out to 300 yds. I have shot on my own range out to 522 yds & know right where my bullet strikes. I don't care to try any father. I shoot regularly & know my rifle well. Practicing regularly I see as being far more important than the actual range you sight in at.
 
200 yard zero here for every rifle I own. That way when I do my ballistic charts I am always inputting 200. Hint here. When taking pictures of game wipe the blood off of their face and tuck the tongue back in. Your pics will look much better. It's just better all around for our hunting community if we make the pics more pleasing to non hunters eyes. Plus you pics will just look alot nicer.
Shep
 
I've got right at 15" of drop on my 308 with hunting rounds. Not sure if 200 or 300 yard zero guys concern themselves with hold under or not, but it stresses me out just thinking about holding under hair on a 60 yard shot with 308, should that shot present.

I would suggest you shoot your rifle at 60 yards because I think you will find it will hit low...it would be a mistake for you hold low at 60 yards.

But, to be honest...it will not be much more than an inch or so...unless your head shooting Chipmunks....there wouldn't be much need to worry about it.
 
Most rifles are going to be high from about 25 yds to your zero. And from 25 yards in it won't be lower than the height of your scope.
Shep
 
For my big game hunting rifles, I do a 250 yard zero. Gives me a point and shoot to 300 yards with no more than a 2.7" elevation error. +2.2" @ 100 +2.7" @ 150, + 2.1" @ 200, 0 @ 250, -2.7" @ 300.

For my dedicated LR rifle that only comes out for the long shots, I zero @ 300.
I have actually changed all my rifles since I posted this. Everything has a 200 yard zero now.
 
I tried to get Shooter Ballistic program to do the crossover point but it just shows a linear line to 100 yards. That is wrong. We know the bullet has to cross the line of sight before it gets to your zero. Only a laser beam could do that. But we all know gravity will get his due.
Shep
 
It doesn't make much different between zeroing at 100 yds or 200 yards. I set up at 100 yds and shot about 1" high at that range. Depending on the rifle and velocity of the round will put you at at 200 yds on target. Look at your ballistics calculator to see what a 200 yds zero is. The ballistics Chart should show where the point of impack at 100 yds is. Depending where you are hitting adjust the scope for the correction. Then test the round at farther distances to verify. I have found several years ago that the BC was better and what was stated sometimes. The rounds were hitting higher that what was stated on the Ballistics chart. Finally it a lot easier to work up loads at 100 yds that 200 yds with less wind or other problems with shooting at longer distances.

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Mike
 
Complicated question and it really depends. For hunting in the old way of expecting encounters at conversational distance up to say 400-500m your game animal size has something to say about how far you should not exceed for a zero. You want to be able to hold on-hair as far out as possible and still be able to put metal right into the pumping room right? To do that you need your Point Blank Range to match your game's vital area size divided by 2 to the maximum ordinal of the bullet (bullet height above line of sight). If you set it up so you're 2.5" high at 100yrds and dead on at 250 then you're good with many rifles to somewhere around 400yrds holding on hair. I personally never liked that way of doing things, it seemed to be kinda ball-parking things with something's life on the line for my taste.

The LRH crowd though tend to look much farther for shots and that old rule of thumb goes right out the window because of how you shoot at them. We/y'all tend to identify the exact range the critter is at, dial turrets to a precise firing solution and engage from a supported position. None of those things typically gets done the way I describe in the paragraph above. So you want a dead-on zero you can rely on as a solid reference point (so your ballistics DOPE works properly) and a scope that tracks like a rolling train. Simple enough. Now we've identified that you NEED a soild reference point to dial ballistic firing solutions properly.

Some very limited military and competition circumstances have a 600m zero being right (they're only needing to put metal on meat and wound someone, not necessariliy make sure it's dead and didn't suffer) but for our ostensible purposes of long range hunting and for long range precision rifle target shooting in general I teach my students to use a 100yrd/m zero. There's a simple reason for it. It's close enough that subtle changes in things like wind, muzzle velocity and air temperature become inconsequential to getting a really solid zero and far enough to be useful. 10mph of wind is going to be 1-2 clicks and up/down changes from MV and temp are not going not going to show up at all. As you get farther out it becomes tough to tell if you've got a spurious couple inches of wind dialed in or if terrain effect is throwing off your zero.

This system of configuration and use assumes that you'll be dialing your scope to your firing solution from the middle or its mechanical range to nearly the mechanical bottom of its range for zero setting and that when normally shooting you'll be dialing up, usually a significant amount. You don't want your scope at the actual bottom of its range though for optical reasons so careful selection of bases and rings should be exercised. If you're stopping shooting at 1000yrds or somewhere closer, you're not likely going to need 100MOA of adjustment. 40 will do so you can set up the scope to be in the middle of the range for most scopes we might tend to use (they frequently have 60-80moa or more of adjustment range). On most of my guns I'm set up for going to the supersonic limits of the bullet so I tend to set up my scopes near the mechanical bottom so I have the maximum amount of up left in the scope. I don't shoot anything closer than 200m except for my zeroing target.

So to sum up, you need to take cartridge performance, game size, typical engagement range, scope adjustment range, etc... all in to account and those will generally determine for you if you MUST go further than 100yrds or if you can get away with 100yrds.

FYI, a 600yrd zero is done by shooting at 100yrds and making the POI the requisite number of mils higher than the POA. You'd never shoot for a zero at 600yrds. Wind changes would jack you up bad. So even if you're looking for a longer than 100yrd zero, there's ZERO REASON to actually shoot that zero at beyond 100 physical yards. Just adjust POI vs. POA so that the angular adjustment is there already.

If that's not insanely clear, I apologize. I tried.
Great read and on point.
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Mike
 
1 other thing is I try to use rifles I shot going about the same velocity and point of impact is about the same. That way I really don't have to think about where I am hitting. Look at 25/06, 264 W.Mag, 7mm R.Mag. 30/06, 308 norma Mag, and 338 W.Mag. and there is several other too. There not much different in impact at different ranges depending on grains of bullet used.
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Mike
 
To the OP I always have a 100 yard reference. I use a few different methods depending on the gun and situation. I do have a couple rifles with ballistic reticles. They all start with a 200 yard zero and I verify all the marks at what is suggested to actual. I then use the longest range stadia at 100 to see if the math is close, backwards.
I have 2 rifles I use for predator control on Walleye brood ponds where my shots 99% of the time are 365 and 430 yards and the rifles are zeroed to those ranges. Both of these get a lot of work from June thru September. These are on targets roughly the size of a cormorant and I periodically verify POA to POI at 100 yards as those guns travel a lot. My dial guns all zero at 240Yards and my walking guns all zero at 100. I am lucky enough to have a place I can set targets in an obstacle course to 500 so it is really easy for me to quickly run through verification on all my rifles. I do to lack of useable practice don't shoot game past 500.
 
100 or 200 yard zero? For me, neither.

I use MPBR (Maximum Point Black Range) zeros for a 6" diameter target. This generally corresponds to a 240-290 yard zero but ensures that out to MPBR range the bullet should not hit more than 3" above or below line of sight.

Most of my scopes have BDC reticles so there are multiple aim points in the scope. I find these adequate out to 600 yards but don't use them until 400 yards or further.
 
Once zeroed to 200 yards set a target at 100 yards and shoot a small group of 3 rounds. Then measure how high your group is (usually around an inch) and make a note of it for future reference. From there all you have to do is sight in with the measured hold over. I do this only on my long range scopes. For my others I usually sight in 3.5 inches high as it gives me a window of less than 4" from zero to 320 yards. This puts my shots into the kill zone.
 
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