.22 Centerfires on Medium to Large game

I've shot a pile of wolves with a 223 and stopped using it due to their terrible terminal performance. No outfitters here recommend them for paying clients. If you can't handle the recoil of a 243, 6 gt or a 6.5 creedmoor lord help you

Marky_mark said:

I've shot a pile of wolves with a 223 and stopped using it due to their terrible terminal performance. No outfitters here recommend them for paying clients. If you can't handle the recoil of a 243, 6 gt or a 6.5 creedmoor lord help you

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Or an excellent .257 somewhere in the middle.
Agreed!

If .224 is great for medium-large game as suggested here, what is .264-.308 good for? Cape Buff? Grizz?

Phil Rizzo said:

If .224 is great for medium-large game as suggested here, what is .264-.308 good for? Cape Buff? Grizz?

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Yup - and the mighty 338s would take you right up to T-Rex.

Bell used a 6.5 and 7 mm Mauser on elephants and everything else on Africa. Shot placement and bullet selection. If you don't understand how it works or this scares you, get a bigger gun.

I'm covered. With excessive overlap

Like has been harped upon everywhere on this site, with smaller calibers shot placement is CRITICAL. Inside of 400 yards, the .223 Remington is more capable than people want to believe however bullet selection, shooting environment, etc are of paramount importance to make that a reality, and not a severe disappointment. If the shooter and their knowledge aren't up to the task then neither is the round.

The 6.5x55 was used by one of the famous elephant hunters back in the day

Phil Rizzo said:

If .224 is great for medium-large game as suggested here, what is .264-.308 good for? Cape Buff? Grizz?

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Bell shot over 1,000 elephants with a 275 rigby(7x57 Mauser), so probably yeah a 308 would be fine for anything.

I've read it.
He also seated bullets backward for penetration, out of necessity.
We have better choices today for such applications and don't have to hunt ivory for a living here in beautiful crime free Mississippi.
For some reason I don't necessarily feel lucky though.?

69precision said:

Bell shot over 1,000 elephants with a 275 rigby(7x57 Mauser), so probably yeah a 308 would be fine for anything.

WDM Bell & His Elephant Hunting Rifles

WDM Bell & His Elephant Hunting Rifles... Walter D.M. Bell (1881-1951) has become a legend among elephant hunters due to his great success in the ivory trade during the golden age of hunting in East Africa. He is known as “Karamojo” Bell because of his safaris through this remote wilderness...

www.africahunting.com

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How many have you shot though?

Marky_mark said:

How many have you shot though?

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The exact amount I want to shoot, zero. But just because I didn't do it doesn't mean I can't learn from someone who did, just like most other aspects of life. Does each person on earth need to go to the moon to know there's 1/6th the gravity of Earth?

Marky_mark said:

How many have you shot though?

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It's like using Jerry Miculek to support individual choices on handguns. Lots of parameters being ignored to make a point.

HARPERC said:

It's like using Jerry Miculek to support individual choices on handguns. Lots of parameters being ignored to make a point.

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This is true. Not everyone has the same parameters when it come to tools to do a job. Just because your beliefs are challenged by others choices and results doesn't make your beliefs true or correct.