WARNING! ABOUT HORNADY ELD-X BULLETS

I have to ask, but do you measure each loaded round to be sure it meets your specs? I check each loaded round with my comparator after seating the bullet, at least I know each one is consistent from bullet to bullet, especially if they are my hunting rounds. I am no way trying to make excuses for Hornady bad customer service, I just thought everyone checked each load for accuracy.
I do check my length with a comparator, but now what I must do is re-figure my distance to lands an bullet jump accordingly to each new lot of bullets. This inturn also requires a fine adjustment of powder up or down . I have a picky gun that has a very small window to shoot well and I end burning through quite a few bullets before getting things dialed back in . "Note"measuring the bullet itself and thinking its same as your last lot does not work. where your comparator measures on the ogive of the bullet, does not correlate with where the ogive and bearing surface meet the rifling. I have also noticed at that transition point some lots have a nice smooth transition and some lots have more of a square edge on the ogive/ shoulder
 
I do check my length with a comparator, but now what I must do is re-figure my distance to lands an bullet jump accordingly to each new lot of bullets. This inturn also requires a fine adjustment of powder up or down . I have a picky gun that has a very small window to shoot well and I end burning through quite a few bullets before getting things dialed back in . "Note"measuring the bullet itself and thinking its same as your last lot does not work. where your comparator measures on the ogive of the bullet, does not correlate with where the ogive and bearing surface meet the rifling. I have also noticed at that transition point some lots have a nice smooth transition and some lots have more of a square edge on the ogive/ shoulder

Hmm, I thought measuring from base to Ogive with the comparator would be the same no matter if the bullet was .010 longer. I was thinking that is the spot that contacts the Lands for the jump. As long as you kept the same caliper measurement from base to ogive, the jump would remain the same from lot to lot.
 
Every bullet manufacturer has some sort of tolerance in their process the same way that every manufacturing process has some sort of tolerance applied. Without it, nothing would ever pass a quality inspection as there will always be variation. No bullet manufacturer is immune to this. Getting hornady to cough up the actual tolerances they use probably not going to happen. But it is quite possible that the have tighter tolerances on their match bullets.

Your gun may smell berger, but your gun may not like berger. As some have previously mentioned depending on how you measure your jump, base to ogive or base to tip, you can get drastically different measurements. Measured a bunch of 215 bergers and the base to tip of the bullet varied approximately 0.015" across half a dozen bullets from the same box (which appears to be similar numbers to what you measured on the hornadys). They shot great and jump was consistent because they were measured/seated off the ogive not the tip.

I would just take it as a learning experience. If you have a new lot of bullets you should go back and check to make sure that your previously measured jump is accurate. Its something I have to do with sierra gamekings as the lead tips are inconsistent even within the same box.

Just curious. Did you try loading the new lot of bullets to the same jump you started with and same powder charge previously used? How did they shoot?
 
The good and bad of shooting vld style bullets is yes, they do have higher b.c. Values. That's good! The bad Is they are harder too make consistent and small differences show up more! If you're shooting them just know it takes more work too use them too full potential!
 
Thanks everyone for the feedback,I just wanted everyone to be aware of this issue, maybe re-check your max distance to the lands if you have a different lot of bullets. It may not be a big deal if you have considerable amount of jump,but if you have a small jump ,the change could be a problem. My jump was .018 . You would think that's far away enough to never worry about jamming a bullet. Shame on me!
 
Thanks everyone for the feedback,I just wanted everyone to be aware of this issue, maybe re-check your max distance to the lands if you have a different lot of bullets. It may not be a big deal if you have considerable amount of jump,but if you have a small jump ,the change could be a problem. My jump was .018 . You would think that's far away enough to never worry about jamming a bullet. Shame on me!

Again, "if" you are measuring COAL to set your distance to the lands, you are not getting a true reading unless you are using CBTO measurements.
 
My suggestion for those seeking the ultimate precision with vld bullets is seat them all a few thousands long, measure and sort into groups and then adjust your seating die for each group. A micro adjust seating die makes this much easier
 
Every bullet manufacturer has some sort of tolerance in their process the same way that every manufacturing process has some sort of tolerance applied. Without it, nothing would ever pass a quality inspection as there will always be variation. No bullet manufacturer is immune to this. Getting hornady to cough up the actual tolerances they use probably not going to happen. But it is quite possible that the have tighter tolerances on their match bullets.

Your gun may smell berger, but your gun may not like berger. As some have previously mentioned depending on how you measure your jump, base to ogive or base to tip, you can get drastically different measurements. Measured a bunch of 215 bergers and the base to tip of the bullet varied approximately 0.015" across half a dozen bullets from the same box (which appears to be similar numbers to what you measured on the hornadys). They shot great and jump was consistent because they were measured/seated off the ogive not the tip.

I would just take it as a learning experience. If you have a new lot of bullets you should go back and check to make sure that your previously measured jump is accurate. Its something I have to do with sierra gamekings as the lead tips are inconsistent even within the same box.

Just curious. Did you try loading the new lot of bullets to the same jump you started with and same powder charge previously used? How did they shoot?
Yes I always measure off the ogive..and Hornady did tell me their tolerances. I believe it was: ogive to tip- .004
Ogive to base .014.
I picked up 2 boxes the other day, had to take my calipers and comparator into sportsman's Warehouse and convince them to let me open boxes and check them. 3 boxes on the shelf, all different lots, 2 of them were very close within .002. the other box was .016 different
 
After my crazy day at the range last Wednesday I called guy who shoots a lot of LR shooting competitions.

During our discussion of my shooting the conversation turned to bullets for a little while. Because of the added cost and lack of consistency of premium bullets he went old school and now only uses Sierra Match Kings.
 
How did you have one batch off the lands and the new into the lands if you measure base too ogive and make them all the same?

Most dies do not seat a bullet off the ogive, they are seated off the tip. He probably left his seating die set from lot "A" and didn't realize something had changed until he shot lot "B". Looks like he's learned a good lesson :)
 
I have been getting mixed results with the 178 ELDX from the same lot. One day it is almost a one holer, the next it is a bit loose.

Now I am not immune to the "nut behind the trigger syndrome" but I am more confident in my shooting abilities than the groups these have produced would lead me to believe. My point is that there may be something to this. For those having success, good on you, hope it maintains...
 
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