Wind holds and second focal plane

[JustMe2]

Where is that question asked?

In his title "Wind holds and second focal plane"

and again in his second paragraph "Any tips for doing wind holds when I'm not at 24x? Do I just use the inch holds that Strelok says vs the moa hold?"

 

[FrogFire7]

SFP is not that complicated but people do tend to have a dilemma with correct holds. The issue is if you wish to half the value of the scope and double the hold or go to correct sub tension. OR, you can simply understand the hold and translate that into distance. For example, if you have a 10 mph wind and need 1 moa for a 400 yard target, you have a 4" hold off. IF shooting 800 and same 1 moa, you have a 8" hold off. That is not that difficult to hold. It is very difficult to try and hold 5 moa on a 800.

The thing about using SFP for hunting is whether or not to choose a high magnification scope. I see a lot of people running 30x level scopes and that's just way too much scope imho. I used to be there too. A good quality scope with lower power 3-18, for example, is generally more than enough scope to reach a long long ways. The clarity of the glass makes a massive difference in what you can see. I hunt predators and have zero issue aiming small at 18x on yotes at 1k for example. So, if you are not at max mag for closer in shots, holding with a SFP is really about understanding the relationship of distance. IF you are shooting further 500-1000 then the likelihood of being on the lower end of the mag range is low and your hold should be correct.

For you, I'd do 2 things. I'd look at 12x for half mag value holds and put a note in your phone with the holds. That way when in the field and practicing you can reference back to it until it becomes intuitive. If you don't already know the relationship with MOA and inches I'd study that a bit. It'll help you feel more confident in the hold distance.

The big key here is in your last paragraph... Practice until it becomes intuitive. Everything you said is dead on, but could easily be fumbled under pressure in a hunt.

Not that you need to be told that, just wanted to clarify for the OP. Solid advice

 

[BrentM]

In his title "Wind holds and second focal plane"

and again in his second paragraph "Any tips for doing wind holds when I'm not at 24x? Do I just use the inch holds that Strelok says vs the moa hold?"

Seems like the reticle portion of the app is a very specific section and process. I believe strelock uses any mag power you choose and shows the user where to hold on that reticle in the display. The difference is that I saw him ask about inches of hold off vs MOA. Some people struggle with that relationship.

 

[JustMe2]

Seems like the reticle portion of the app is a very specific section and process. I believe strelock uses any mag power you choose and shows the user where to hold on that reticle in the display. The difference is that I saw him ask about inches of hold off vs MOA. Some people struggle with that relationship.

Yup, I realize that you and others didn't understand his question and that is why I posted about "WINDAGE".

The OP's question was not about holdover in Strelok or how the Strelok holdover scale works.

 

[skipglo]

**Sorry, I attempted to quote ShtrRdy and failed. Apparently I'm still figuring this forum out.

I have that model Zeiss and that's exactly what I do. Also, you can just take 24 (the max power where the reticle is calibrated to 1MOA per hash) and divide it by whatever power you're using and that will give you your minutes per hash at that power. So at the 16 you listed, it would be 1.5 MOA per.

Also, here's the link to the Zeiss website where they list some of this out.

https://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/consumer-products/downloads/hunting/datasheets/reticles/en/datasheet-illuminated-reticle-zmoai-1.pdf

That makes it easy...hmmmm...I'm looking at a nervous SpeedGoat...he's ranged at 575...now all I have to do is....oh yeah...math..scope is set at 14...so divide by x multiple by Y....dang...paper and pen...got it now....
Where'd the Goat go? Lol

.

 

[JustMe2]

That makes it easy...hmmmm...I'm looking at a nervous SpeedGoat...he's ranged at 575...now all I have to do is....oh yeah...math..scope is set at 14...so divide by x multiple by Y....dang...paper and pen...got it now....
Where'd the Goat go? Lol

.

Exactly. Use a FFP for long shots and lose the headache and math mistakes.

 

[Elk Hunter 338]

Or just dial it!

 

[BrentM]

That makes it easy...hmmmm...I'm looking at a nervous SpeedGoat...he's ranged at 575...now all I have to do is....oh yeah...math..scope is set at 14...so divide by x multiple by Y....dang...paper and pen...got it now....
Where'd the Goat go? Lol

.

Naw. 575 in a 10mph is around .5 per 100 or roughly 6x.5 or 3 moa. Roughly 18". A speed goat 575 yards you would see me acquire it, spin the mag up, and hold 2.75 and send it. Literally in the time it took you to read that is how long it takes to figure out wind once you know direction and speed. The only issue I have with FFP is how small the reticle is on low mag and people tend to lose the lines. They wind up spinning the scope anyway. For comp I use FFP because I hold over and under and wind for multiple target changes in one stage. Only time I see that hunting is with yotes but they are not usually 150, 500, 750, and back to 400.

 

[vancewalker007]

Or just dial it!

And, that's why I've been dialing wind correction for 25 years with SFP scopes. Grew up on plain reticle SFP scopes with target turrets. I already know my clicks/MPH, pre-calculated, which is accurate enough for my hunting needs.

 

[JustMe2]

Or just dial it!

Yes, that for elevation. But the windage offset marks won't be correct at all magnifications in a SFP scope so that still needs to be calculated at any power other than one power setting.

 

[BrentM]

Yes, that for elevation. But the windage offset marks won't be correct at all magnifications in a SFP scope so that still needs to be calculated at any power other than one power setting.

He said dial it. If you dial wind it doesn't matter SFP or FFP or what mag setting. His point, if you use SFP and can't figure this stuff out then dial it. It's not that hard but some people seem to make it so. The FFP vs SFP argument will never go away but it seems like the issue gets way over dramatized for the wrong reasons.

 

[JustMe2]

He said dial it. If you dial wind it doesn't matter SFP or FFP or what mag setting. His point, if you use SFP and can't figure this stuff out then dial it. It's not that hard but some people seem to make it so. The FFP vs SFP argument will never go away but it seems like the issue gets way over dramatized for the wrong reasons.

Right, my point is you still have to calculate a different wind offset for each zoom power. Dialing wind offset will change as the range changes. Just one more thing to go wrong shooting long range with a SFP especially in a hunting situation when things are rapidly changing and you forget to calculate the change. I'm more comfortable shooting long distances with a FFP because of fewer calculations.

 

[BrentM]

Right, my point is you still have to calculate a different wind offset for each zoom power. Dialing wind offset will change as the range changes. Just one more thing to go wrong shooting long range with a SFP especially in a hunting situation when things are rapidly changing. I'm more comfortable shooting long distances with a FFP because of fewer calculations.

You've lost me. There is nothing more to do then to calculate the solution and dial the scope. Literally and exactly the same as a FFP. If you are dialing a scope you don't have to be concerned about anything whether on 3x or 24x, dialing is dialing.

 

[SammySTW]

I'm not very experienced shooting in wind, but I think it would be pretty easy to just use the inches that strelok tells you, up to maybe about 12" or whatever you're comfortable with. Beyond that, I think you should take some more time to prepare for the shot, either make sure your scope is at 12x or 24x (keep the math simple with either 1/2 value or full value hashes) and use a MOA hold with the hash marks, or take your windage cap off and dial the wind.