Re: Wilcat Bullets...Why haven\'t BC\'s been posted?
John M.
Your comments prove your level of research on the subject and those that have been putting up with me for the last year posting NONSTOP about the performance of the Wildcat Bullets know full well you have no idea what your talking about.
Let me state this as simply as I can for you. This is my ballistic load development process. I develope a load that is consistant in velocity and in accuracy at 500 yards. Looking for grouping in the 1" to 2" range at 500 yards with my Extreme Sporter rifles, All of which are loaded with Wildcat Bullets and will continue to be.
I then dial in the scope to print at a certain point at 100 yards and then take bullet drop measurement using this same hold at 100, 300, 500 and either 800 or 1000 yards depending on the purpose of the rifle and chambering.
I then sit down on the computer with my drop data, velocity data and start tweaking the ballistic programs until the model trajectory matches the data points in my drop tests.
I then print out the entire drop chart out to how ever far I want to test or shoot and head back to the range. I pick targets of opportunity at unknow ranges. Range the target look it up on the drop chart, either dial in for the shot or find the appropriate reference hold point and shoot at the target. Generally several shots. I log the impacts of these shots at these ranges. Find another target at a different range, repeat the process and log the data. Find another target, repeat process and log data.
Then I return to the computer and further tweak the ballistic program until my drop chart is even more finely tuned to the actual flight of the bullets. When I can go out and punch a one gallon milk jug full of water at any range from 100 to 1200 yards in good shooting conditions I figure my drop chart is close enough.
From then on its just range practice, lots of it, on paper, on natural targets, on gallon milk jugs.
Yes thats six differnet loads testing the 100 gr Bonded Core FBHP.
Well, looks like the 156 gr ULD RBBT Wildcats shoot alright.
This is range testing the 257 Allen Mag with the same load above. Could care less what the BC is. When I plug .820 in the ballistic program, I went 7 for 8 on milk jugs from 580 to 800 yards. One miss was by about 2" as I did not catch the breeze that came up.
How about some 450 and 930 yard bullet drop testing with the 169.5 gr ULD in my 270 Allen Mag. This was the second and final outting testing the drop chart before my Mouflon Ram hunt this spring. Using a BC of .750 in the ballistic program. Do you think this is close enough to call an accurate BC!! By the way, this was with a 4.5-14 scope using the mil dots for hold points.
Lets see, close enough to hit anything from a field mouse on up in size at 100 yards using this BC value.
Well, at this range looks like anything the size of a chuck or larger would be in real danger. Again, same BC. No dial in on the scope, just look up range, find the proper hold point and shoot. Far to simplistic to work!!! Yes, thats less then 6" at nearly 1000 yards with a sporter rifle. Looks like the Wildcats shoot well and the BC is pretty close for getting on target anyway, may not be scientificly pure though!!!
Lets see and some big boys:
Now lets talk about on game testing!!!! That of course I have not done any of!
Last fall, 257 STW 100gr BCFBHP Wildcat 3950 fps. My wife and her 81" B&C pronghorn. One shot, one kill, perfect bullet performance.
Last Fall, my 152" B&C whitetail, taken with same 257 STW rifle but loaded with the 130 gr BCFBHP. Just under 400 yards and was on a property line so I needed to drop him on the spot. The Wildcat bullets had proven themselves in accuracy and I was totally confident taking a shot to place the 130 gr Wildcat dead center in the bucks white throat patch. The result was obvious!
I also took a whitetail doe at 508 yards last year with a solid shoulder hit. Performance was great on the lighter doe but studying the results led Richard to design a heavier jacketed 130 gr Bonded Core FBHP specifically for my upcoming Allen Mag for use on heavy mature bucks. BC actually dropped from .550 to .500 with this heavier bullet which I reported at the time. Think Sierra would do that for you??? Think Nosler would claim a drop in BC in an attempt to get a better performing bullet on game????
This Spring. Field testing my 257 Allen Mag. First big game animal harvested with the 257 Allen Mag and the 156 gr ULD RBBT. Yes the same one extensively tested above!! The drop chart was plenty accurate with the .820 BC used to drop this buck at 500 yards with one and only one shot. The guide had never heard such an authoritative bullet impact from any big game rifle before and that was with a 15 mph tail wind. He said it sounded like a freight train hit the buck. The results looked that way as well. Why, Extreme retained velocity and energy, from what, EXTREME BC values!!!
Same trip, frist big game animal taken with the 270 Allen Mag with the 169.5 gr ULD. Range was not long, in fact quite short at only 75 yards in heavy cover but the big 169.5 gr ULD RBBT made a 1/2" entrance hole, and a 1" exit hole and dropped the ram on the spot with a lung impact. Not only does Richard build bullets for extreme range hunting, they also must perform at close range as well. Yes we actually tested this as well believe it or not!!!
This Spring. Mouflon Ram hunt in Idaho. Used the 270 Allen Mag to harvest this world class ram at 610 yards. Drop chart stated the second mil dot down was the exact hold for 610 yards. Looks like the .750 BC worked pretty well on that one too. Ram was facing directly toward me and dropped to the shot.
This is one of two one shot kill on chucks at ranges of 1098 and 1114 yards using my Extreme Sporter in 270 Allen Mag. Again using the same drop chart with the .750 BC. Seems to be pretty **** accurate even to these ranges. Only reason there have not been more is because I have been limited in the trips I can go out on and the ones I have taken lately we have been shooting in the 2050 to 2173 yard range, yes with the 270 Allen Mag Extreme Sporter with the 169.5 gr ULD. I'll be damned if the BC does not even hold up to that range.
This is just over the last 8 months my friend. For every picture you saw, there have been hundreds of rounds fired down range in load development, velocity testing and range testing.
I don't have to back up any of my claims, you just need to learn to read!!
Before you start acting like you know all about Richard and myself, I want you to know something, first off, I do not endorse a product unless I have tested the HELL out of it and proven it works. I report my successes as well as my FAILURES and always have and always will.
Richard is the same way, if something is wrong or does not perform, we take every measure to fix or adjust things to solve the problem.
There are two products I fully endorse as a custom rifle builder, Wildcat Bullets and Lilja barrels, thats IT. So before you get up on your little soap box and start making claims agains a fine man like Richard Graves, realize that when you do, you better be ready to face what you will have coming back at you. Not from Richard but his friends.
Question, me all you want, I could care less, I will just keep going out and getting results exactly like I have been as will all the others that want to take the RISK and try some of the Wildcat Bullets.
If your not up to this kind of RISK, by all meansstick with the standards, but don;t be suprised when your lacking in performance compared to someone using Wildcat Bullets.
Now that I have wasted more of my customers time then you are worth I'll close this by making one comment,
"Know what your talking about before YOU make CLAIMS my friend. IT may come back to bite you in the end!"
Kirby Allen
