Which scope would you pick for my new project? Very disappointed by european scopes offerings

I would say US OPTICS I like my FDN 25X better than my Nightforce
 
this rig, considering that budget is not a concern?
Arken 5-25x56 FFP MOA or Mrad ... best long range scope for the buck$.
I just ordered one of these Arkens and looking forward to trying it out. Seems like a lot of guys here are recommending them as an entry-level or lower cost option.

Just this year I have switched from all Leupold stuff to a couple of Zeiss products and I have a Schmidt and Bender Polar. I believe something in the Polar line, or anything from Schmidt and Bender for that matter, would be at the top of my list for the set up you're talking about. You could do the deep dive into the details and specs because you know what you're looking for but I now have 2 S&B's and they are outstanding. My second one is a fixed power with a simple reticle.
 
With budget as no object, if you are wanting top notch, look at Tangent Theta 3-15x50 Hunter.

I've been waiting for someone to bring this one up. From what I read the op saying, this one immediately came to mind. None of the others mentioned even come close.
 
Aside from their weight, and price, i'd buy one in a heartbeat!!
Pricing about equal with all the other top tier optics out there.
But they don't have the advertizing that say Nightforce has.
Hence they've never become "mainstream".
And among competition shooters, if Bob isn't winning with it, i'm not gonna try it mentality.

Lots of people get Leupold for hunting rifles.
For the most part, it is a decent quality built scope.
But you'll hear a LOT of "get a Leupold for it's warranty".
To me they are trying to sell on the name alone.
Overpriced for the glass quality & features.
Thanks for the very informative answer man!
 
Night Force SHV 4-14X50 FFP Mill dot would probably be my first and last choice, very reliable and all mine have always been repeatable . This is a great little scope, I run the ATAC-R 56mm MOA versions on most of my hunting rifles . I have been using Night Force for 30 years, no failures ,yet. JMHO
I started the thread thinking there were no options and now I have too many ahah! Thanks, i'll look into it
 
Hi guys, I write from Italy. I aleeady posted a couple threads about my new setup but now i think i got to the right decisions. To sum it up, i write from Italy. I currently have a early 2018 made bergara b14 hunter topped with a khales helia 2-10×50i with the standard german IV-like reticle and capped turrets. I love that gun, it's very accurate (0.3-0.7 MOA groups all day with geco 170 grains softpoints or rws dk 165 grains). This setup is very versatile but gives its best for relatively short ranges and low light situations.
I started hunting also in more open areas so i want a new rifle with more range for those places, while i will keep the rifle i already have for less open areas. So, since i really love my old b14 and since i don't like the look of most other rifles with all these fancy curves and fluted stuff, i decided to buy another b14 (still undecided between another hunter and a sporter while i excluded the wilderness series cause of the shorter barrels and fixed muzzlebrakes). Also i am young and in good shape so i prefer the relative heaviness of the b14 to the super low weight many hunters look for today. Plus i already own a b14 and i know that rifle very well so i thought keeping the same system (same trigger and ergonomics) but with another scope and a bipod would be a good idea. The caliber of the new rifle will be .308, again, but i will keep it zeroed for a more aerodynamic bullet like accubonds, eld-x or sst. I choose this caliber for availability, longer barrel life (i train with my hunting rifles constantly), good terminal performance for my max hunting range, mild recoil, no need for muzzlebrake etc. I will hunt mainly roe deer (up to 60 lbs), boars (up to 400 lbs) and fellow deer (up to 250 lbs), very rarely red deer (up to 550/600 lbs). I will keep distances inside 400 meters (450 yards).

That said, back to the topic: which scope would you put on this rig, considering that budget is not a concern?
I have always looked at european scopes but i don't find any offering i like looking at swaro/zeiss/khales/leica/S&B scopes.
The first option could be a FFP, with a Mil reticle for wind holds and a BDC exposed elevation turret. So i would dial for elevation and hold for wind. These brands sell some scopes with these features but they are in the tactical area: heavy, bulky with huge max powers. I would like a 3-12×50i or something like this for hunting. That's weird because this looks like an ideal scope setup to me.
Another option could be a SFP with a simple german IV reticles but, at this point, i would need exposed turrets both for elevation and windage. It seems like european hunting scopes have exposed turrets only for elevation tough. This doesn't make much sense to me since wind is a big variable when shooting past 300 meters or so..

So my questions:
-what do you think of the setup in general?
-which scope would you put on my new rifle?

Thanks guys, greetings from Italy!!
Why not just go with a Kahles
You are already familiar with the brand and I'm pretty it's in the top 10 of the best optics made list
 
My S&B 3-12x50 Klassik with BDC turret and P3L reticle is my favorite hunting scope and would be worth a look if you consider holding wind. I've also been very happy with my Nightforces.
Does your klassik have parallax adjustment?
 
What are the issues you have S&B? The PMII line 3x12 3x20 4x16 5x25 are all excellent pieces of glass. They were in any serious conversation for top of the mountain when introduced. There are a couple that have surpassed them today but the latest coming from them 6x36 seems to update them to back fighting for the pinnacle of optics.
In 308 how much weight will be a No in your glass selection? How much magnification?
I'm moving my reticle choice to a floating dot. I like the 1/2 mill hash the .2 mil gets busy for my eyes as I get older. For driven hunting situations or rapid targets XR Gen2 I have alot of time with.
IMHO pick a reticle you like in the magnification range and search for the brands that have that type and pick your price pain threshold. 99% of used scope sales are because the reticle or physical size didn't work as anticipated
Thanks man, i did what you suggest but with bad results, too many different brands and models. Now i al looking into several scopes you guys suggested!
 
If you are only shooting out to 400 meters then a capped windage turret is no problem. With a proper reticle that goes for any distance. 400 meters isn't that far and well within a .308 win capability. Yes wind calls will matter at that distance but unless you are in very high winds they are not going to be drastic. Stick with a nice euro option if that's what you know. If you just want a change of pace Leupold VX5HD or NF SHV will do you just fine with out dropping 3k. Personally if I was only shooting out to 400 meters on a hunt gun I'd buy a nice Leica, Swaro, or Zeiss.
 
If you are only shooting out to 400 meters then a capped windage turret is no problem. With a proper reticle that goes for any distance. 400 meters isn't that far and well within a .308 win capability. Yes wind calls will matter at that distance but unless you are in very high winds they are not going to be drastic. Stick with a nice euro option if that's what you know. If you just want a change of pace Leupold VX5HD or NF SHV will do you just fine with out dropping 3k. Personally if I was only shooting out to 400 meters on a hunt gun I'd buy a nice Leica, Swaro, or Zeiss.
Yes , many great choices for scopes, at his max range, my greatest concern would be in his bullet choice for the weight range he is hunting! If not a small N.F. scope I would go with an S & B small variant. I don't mind the money but will not accept failure in the field.
 
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