Which mainstream cartridge to go obsolete because of the 6 & 6.5 CM

[Creedmoor shooter]

Wow. Someone is having a rough day! @gohring3006 you'd better stop before this guy has an aneurism!

 

[35 Whelen]

The only people who talk about the creed being the end all, is the haters.
All the creed lovers just enjoy, no case stretch, great seating length/powder intrusion, great factory offerings with proper twist rates, and most of all, watching the haters get all bent out of shape trying to defend prehistoric cartridges designs that are not conducive to efficient powder burns and constantly need trimming.
We Creed guys usually have several rifles, and the creed is just one horse in the stable.

I have to disagree. I'm a gun guy like most guys on here and have about 16 different rifle cartridges. They all fit some kind of spot wither it be a hunting need or want, or just because I like the history around the cartridge. I don't dislike the Creedmoor's they are just to close to other ones I have for them to get me excited. Yes they all are good rounds and we all have the ones we like. We do not need to be rude and hateful because some one does not like what we do and vise versa. Yes it's fun to discus our likes and dislikes in a decant manner. And as the OP ask, do you think the creeds will make another older popular cartridge obsolete? I don't think so as the are all grate well proven rounds and all fit a nice nitch. The creeds have joined the ranks of the greatest cartridges of all time, a very big thing in a short time, so be happy your favorite cartridge is among the most popular. But think your better because some one else's is or isn't. Some of my favorite cartridges are among the popular and some are not, and I don't mind ether way. As far as the unpopular ones go when I have them around others it becomes the cool conversation, and most like them even if they never buy one. To each his own, enjoy and be happy.

 

[gohring3006]

I have to disagree. I'm a gun guy like most guys on here and have about 16 different rifle cartridges. They all fit some kind of spot wither it be a hunting need or want, or just because I like the history around the cartridge. I don't dislike the Creedmoor's they are just to close to other ones I have for them to get me excited. Yes they all are good rounds and we all have the ones we like. We do not need to be rude and hateful because some one does not like what we do and vise versa. Yes it's fun to discus our likes and dislikes in a decant manner. And as the OP ask, do you think the creeds will make another older popular cartridge obsolete? I don't think so as the are all grate well proven rounds and all fit a nice nitch. The creeds have joined the ranks of the greatest cartridges of all time, a very big thing in a short time, so be happy your favorite cartridge is among the most popular. But think your better because some one else's is or isn't. Some of my favorite cartridges are among the popular and some are not, and I don't mind ether way. As far as the unpopular ones go when I have them around others it becomes the cool conversation, and most like them even if they never buy one. To each his own, enjoy and be happy.

For the record, I have
.243
30-06
.308
300 win mag
338 lapua
6.5 creedmoor
I have love for older designs.
The creed is not my favorite.
I didn't bash anybody's cartridges, I just pointed out flaws in older designs that the creed haters love to tote.
I still like them, but the creed bashing is really getting old. I don't think I'm better than anybody, not sure where you get that from.

 

[35 Whelen]

For the record, I have
.243
30-06
.308
300 win mag
338 lapua
6.5 creedmoor
I have love for older designs.
The creed is not my favorite.
I didn't bash anybody's cartridges, I just pointed out flaws in older designs that the creed haters love to tote.
I still like them, but the creed bashing is really getting old. I don't think I'm better than anybody, not sure where you get that from.

Was not saying you did think you or any one was saying they are better. Just in general speaking some imply that they are weather they intend too or not. Again not directed at you, I think all in all we more or less feel the same way about the subject.

 

[flylo]

I also own most calibers up to & including 338 Lapua Mag & bought 2 more 6.5 CMs today but I will never believe they will make any cartridge obsolete as I have stated. It's fine to get exited over a new or favorite caliber but not to the point some people have. IMHO 7 wasted pages for nothing.

 

[Tlr155]

I think it will be forever before 243,270,308,30-30, 30-06, 300 win mag, 7mm rem mag goes obsolete. They will have invented something besides conventional ammunition to hunt with before these go obsolete. They are all in the top ten most cartridges sold by ammo manufactureres each year. These rounds will always be cheaper than most any other centerfire cartridges for meduim game hunting. And will always be more readily available. 6.5 creedmoor has moved in there with them as well. It has just joined that group, not necessarily pushing one of them out. I could tell you many cartridges that won't join that group and one of the biggest reasons for those is the initial cost of a box of ammo for them, not that it makes a difference to me cause I hand load. If cartridges such a 26,28,30 nosler, 6.5 & 300 prc are to join that crowd they will have to get in the price range of $15-$25 a box on economy versions of ammo. I just don't see that happening.

I wouldn't call 1,000-1200 yrd 1shot drt kills, with a, 7RM, mag medium range hunting
The 7rm has held its, own for a long time against the 300wm,300wby mag 7mn wby the 28 nosler and countless others that were, suppose to be its, death and its, still here, , still here and, still going as, strong as ever it will still be here and popular 40 yrs, from now

 

[just country]

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[DJ Fergus]

I wouldn't call 1,000-1200 yrd 1shot drt kills, with a, 7RM, mag medium range hunting
The 7rm has held its, own for a long time against the 300wm,300wby mag 7mn wby the 28 nosler and countless others that were, suppose to be its, death and its, still here, , still here and, still going as, strong as ever it will still be here and popular 40 yrs, from now

What makes the new cartridges so appealing is they are set up for long heavies. I guess most people don't realize that the old 7mm rem mag was initially designed (1962) around long heavies of it's time, 175 grainers. With a 2.500 case length , a Sammi chamber for off the shelf 175gr factory ammo and a Remington 700 with a factory magazine box of 3.700" long: it's perfect for a handloader to run just about any long range bullet between 160-168 grains and still be able to seat long. Standard remington 9.25 twist is perfect for 160-168 grain bullets. Don't like the belts? Throw the brass away after three firings cause you can buy twice as much 7mm rem mag brass for nearly the same cost as the new improved magnum cases. I'm not saying I don't want a 7mm prc ,saum , wsm etc... because I would love to have those also, but the 7mm rem mag is cheap & easy on a handloader. And I've had great results with the 165 grain Sierra federal factory ammo as well as other factory ammo. 6.5 creedmoors usually likes 140 grainers in factory form 7mm rem mags usually likes 160 grainers in factory form.

 

[Canhunter35]

To answer the ops question none.
But I think the 6.5creed is joining the list the op gave.
I also think the creedmoor case is in the process of joining the 308 and 30-06 cases and their derivatives

 

[flylo]

I can't believe anyone really thinks the 6.5 which has been out for 120+ years is going to put any other cartridge out of business. Fools folly & almost laughable. Wonder if the 264 (6.5) WM is going to put them all out of business as it's such a great seller?

 

[DJ Fergus]

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I can't believe anyone really thinks the 6.5 which has been out for 120+ years is going to put any other cartridge out of business. Fools folly & almost laughable. Wonder if the 264 (6.5) WM is going to put them all out of business as it's such a great seller?

7mm rem mag put the 6.5mm (265 win mag) behind so far as to never catch up with the rem mag. 7mm rem mag was purposefully created to be a 600 yard minimum recoiling elk rifle to shoot 175 grainers almost 60 years ago. The 7mm projectectiles are still superior to the 6.5s ballistically and in ft/lbs energy. A 162 7mm low drag is very close to a 140 6.5mm low drag in b.c. I have 5 rifles in 7mm and two in 6.5. I am about to put together another 6.5 and it will probably be a 264 win mag as I have three 7mm rem mags now. I believe the 7mm rem mag is a great all around cartridge and still more versitile than a 264 win mag but that being said I think the 264wm is a great round also.

 

[flylo]

7mm-08 & 7mm RM are my favorites. Remember the 7x57 started long ago also like the 6.5x55 did. The 6.5 CM is so close to the 125 year old 6.5x55 Swede Everyone acts like they invented the do all, last bullet needed. Wait a couple years till the gun & ammo makers need you to have a reason to buy new rifles, ammo & reloading gear & they'll roll out the next end all wonder.

 

[DJ Fergus]

7mm-08 & 7mm RM are my favorites. Remember the 7x57 started long ago also like the 6.5x55 did. The 6.5 CM is so close to the 125 year old 6.5x55 Swede Everyone acts like they invented the do all, last bullet needed. Wait a couple years till the gun & ammo makers need you to have a reason to buy new rifles, ammo & reloading gear & they'll roll out the next end all wonder.

Exactly, Just like when the WSM family came out. Nothing against any of the wsms. Fine rounds, even finer rounds if they are in a long action with long bullets. But 270 win, 7mm rm, and 300wm still outsell all of them.

 

[Coyote_Hunter]

I can't believe anyone really thinks the 6.5 which has been out for 120+ years is going to put any other cartridge out of business. Fools folly & almost laughable. Wonder if the 264 (6.5) WM is going to put them all out of business as it's such a great seller?

The 6.5 Creedmoor may not obsolete any particular cartridge but it does hurt the sales of many. As it should - it is a very capable and flexible cartridge with a wide range of readily available ammo options - much of which is very competitively priced. And unlike many other cartridges, factory rifles are twisted for the heavies.

If I was gong to choose between a factory .243 Win, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Swede, .6.5 Creedmoor, 260 Remington, 6.5 Swede, 7x57, 7mm-08 or .308 Win, the 6.5 Creedmoor would win easily.