Which Berger is Better for Elk (7mm)

[FEENIX]

Not sure I understand your problem. The bullet performed exactly as berger stated they would. Did you not believe them? Were the vitals shredded? Did the elks travel far? Why is finding your bullet important?

Good luck finding your perfect bullet.

This!

 

[haisardao]

Nope. Target jackets are slightly thicker.

I shoot the 180 Hyb in my 7RM @ 2996fps. We have taken numerous elk from 60ish to 882 with them. Only 2 have not exited. A cow hard quartering on at 140 yards (never found bullet), and the bull at 882 (broadside just under offside skin).
Nothing went further than 40 yards (one bull at 661). Most under 20 or dropped.

Lance, What powder are you using? I'm at 2850 with H1000 and the 180 VLD. Thanks

 

[stovepipe]

That's funny I was pondering about the 180 hybrid yesterday after 2 failed attempts with the 175 ablr in 2 very accurate rifles, I boron coated a batch of the 180's last night for a 7 rem mag will probably use H1000 or retumbo, Good to hear they work well for hunting

 

[memtb]

This!

Wow!!!! That must be a whole 6 or so inches of ballistic gel! show me that wound channel with a exit on about 24" of gel……then I'll be impressed! Until then …..I'm hunting with a different bullet! memtb

 

[Petey308]

Wow!!!! That must be a whole 6 or so inches of ballistic gel! show me that wound channel with a exit on about 24" of gel……then I'll be impressed! Until then …..I'm hunting with a different bullet! memtb

First off, that's a bit more than 6" of gel.

Secondly, you're referring to a different bullet designed to perform differently and you're acting like this one, performing as designed, is bad. It has a higher percentage used in the real world vs many bullets you're likely alluding to. It has a very high percentage of success, even if it didn't end up staying mostly together and exiting. It does as designed.

Comparing vastly different constructed bullets in gel and saying one is better than the other, yet both performed as designed is a bit odd to say the least.

If you prefer the performance you're describing, go with it, but don't act like this is bad just because it's not the same as your preferred bullet and performance.

Good luck out there.

 

[chav0_12]

Wow!!!! That must be a whole 6 or so inches of ballistic gel! show me that wound channel with a exit on about 24" of gel……then I'll be impressed! Until then …..I'm hunting with a different bullet! memtb

That shooting gel is showing how quickly they open. Going through 24" of gel isn't the way the bullet was designed to work. Don't shoot them if you want pass-throughs. Nobody is suggesting you use them, but bashing them just because you don't like the way they work is unnecessary. Did you not see all of those shots in the videos? They work really well at a lot of different ranges and angles.

 

[memtb]

First off, that's a bit more than 6" of gel.

Secondly, you're referring to a different bullet designed to perform differently and you're acting like this one, performing as designed, is bad. It has a higher percentage used in the real world vs many bullets you're likely alluding to. It has a very high percentage of success, even if it didn't end up staying mostly together and exiting. It does as designed.

Comparing vastly different constructed bullets in gel and saying one is better than the other, yet both performed as designed is a bit odd to say the least.

If you prefer the performance you're describing, go with it, but don't act like this is bad just because it's not the same as your preferred bullet and performance.

Good luck out there.

I understand that it performs as designed! But IMO, for large big game the design "sucks"……especially for the hunter that may have limited, or even one elk hunt in their future!

For those with near unlimited opportunities…..I could care less what is used by that hunter! memtb

 

[Petey308]

I understand that it performs as designed! But IMO, for large big game the design "sucks"……especially for the hunter that may have limited, or even one elk hunt in their future!

For those with near unlimited opportunities…..I could care less what is used by that hunter! memtb

Your opinion is noted.

It should also be noted that thousands of elk have been killed by Bergers without issue. I know Jeff Brozovich (a well known and respected name in the community) has personally killed hundreds+ of them with Bergers and with such a high success rate, he has sworn by them. He's not the only one either. There are many others out there like him.

 

[BoomFlop]

I understand that it performs as designed! But IMO, for large big game the design "sucks"……especially for the hunter that may have limited, or even one elk hunt in their future!

For those with near unlimited opportunities…..I could care less what is used by that hunter! memtb

This statement doesn't make any sense, or I'm not understanding what you are meaning.

To me it means that if I am hunting for my 10th elk that a Berger would be fine (and you could care less what bullet I use), however, if it is the only elk I will kill I should choose your bullet choice (guessing Hammer or Barnes). So one elk is more important than another?

I'd take a 180 Hybrid regardless of how many elk I have killed or might not kill.

The OP is asking which Berger is "better", no mention of suggestions of other bullets or designs that I have seen.

Have a great day!

 

[FEENIX]

Your opinion is noted.

It should also be noted they thousands of elk have been killed by Bergers without issue. I know Jeff Brozovich (a well known and respected name in the community) has personally killed hundreds+ of them with Bergers and with such a high success rate, he has sworn by them. He's not the only one either. There are many others out there like him.

Yep!

Here's on of Jeff' thread before he founded LRO.

Comparing the Berger 210 VLD to the 215 Hybrid

As you all know I am a huge fan of the 210 Berger VLD, and have been for years. The amount of elk and other game we have taken with this bullet is stunning, and have never tracked an animal. Last season my son "Young-Gun" wanted to test the 230 Hybrid OTM in his 300 win and we did. We really...

www.longrangehunting.com

LRO also have a few successful African Safari hunt harvests with Bergers, most of which are LRH.

 

[xsn10s]

I'd say between the two I'd use the one that shoots the best. If the VLDH shot well I'd favor that IF Broz still considers that the better of the two. Beyond 500 yards I'd keep the 180 ELDM as an option. That'll be out of my 7mm RM.

 

[Mike Matteson]

No, you are all wrong. Nosler AB or BT's. .

 

[stovepipe]

Well I've only killed one deer with a berger hybrid it was an 85.5 out of my 22 Creedmoor and it broke the onside shoulder, liquefied the heart, made a quarter size hole in the offside ribcage and what was left of the bullet was stuck under the hide of the offside shoulder...now I'm no expert by any means but I think the 180 hybrid started about 3000 fps would be a thumper

 

[lancetkenyon]

Lance, What powder are you using? I'm at 2850 with H1000 and the 180 VLD. Thanks

R-P brass (because I have 400+ pcs)
Fed GM215M
69.0 H1000
180 Hyb
2996fps
ES has been 16fps over hundreds of documented rounds w. Labradar