Rhino Hunter
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I don't have one, but...I've heard nothing but rave reviews of the .338 WM for elk at longer ranges.
What is better than the Weatherby?
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Jimbarnett
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I have had a .300 H&H for close to 50 years. I have watched the new .300s increase speed and down range energy. None of the new ones are substantially better than my .300 H&H. (The .300/378 is abomination in a different class.) Roy Weatherby created the .300 Weatherby as a substantial improvement over the .300 H&H and it is.
pig ranch deadeye
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Yes, it is a substantial improvement without taking things TOO FAR. The Three Hundred Weatherby hits the sweet spot.
I've had a 300 wby years ago and shot some nice game with it. The Nosler 210 ABLR is a nice choice in 30 caliber.
Given a choice, I prefer beltless cartridges. For fast 30s, the 300 RUM coms to mind for a long action and the 30 Nosler for a standard action. Both of these generate a little more velocity in a beltless case.
Given a choice, I prefer beltless cartridges. For fast 30s, the 300 RUM coms to mind for a long action and the 30 Nosler for a standard action. Both of these generate a little more velocity in a beltless case.
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Depends on how you define "BETTER"! If you mean performance wise I think only the 300 RUM could beat it. But if you mean the whole enchilada, performance, availability of ammo, cost of ammo, convenience, etc. then the 300 Win Mag is the clear winner. The ammunition is more ubiquitous (under normal circumstances...ie. no pandemic) and easier to find, it cost less to shoot, kills just as handily as the 300 Wby Mag or 300 RUM and it seems to me many more manufacturers make rifles chambered for the 300 Win Mag giving the shooter a lot more choices and flexibility. Just my 2 cents!
pig ranch deadeye
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.300 Rum is super high performance and you can always load it down if you don't feel like burning a hundred grains of powder. Not too common though, not all that easy to find brass.
TexasSportsman
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I'll keep my .30-06 the recoil is much easier to control and with the Hornady ELD-X 178gr its lethal out to 800 yards according to the tech guys at Hornady. When I worked in the retail end of the firearms business the .300 Win Mag and .300 Wby Mag were the most traded in calibers for one with a more reasonable recoil. This is true especially with older hunters who, after going down in power, wished they had gotten rid of the magnum years ago.
One man came in and was bound and determine to buy the .300 Win/Wby mag. We firmly suggested that if he had a friend that owned one of the two that he take that rifle out to the range and put a few rounds through it. The only way you're going to learn to shoot a heavy caliber is to regularly shoot a heavy caliber.
He came back a few days later and decided the .300 was too much for him and that he shouldn't listen to much to the guys at work who were goading him into buying one.
The owner of the family owned retail store where I worked told me before he passed was that my .30-06 is more than adequate for elk. If you can't hit what you aim at a heavier caliber won't improve your accuracy and most hunters barely make it to the range year round.
The following article from the RMEF on long range elk hunts.
www.rmef.org
Which is why many hunters switch to bow hunting for the real thrill and excitement of getting with in 10 to 30 yards or even closer of that monster bull. Something you'll never experience at 600 yards.
Randy Newberg has his own thoughts about elk caliber.
One man came in and was bound and determine to buy the .300 Win/Wby mag. We firmly suggested that if he had a friend that owned one of the two that he take that rifle out to the range and put a few rounds through it. The only way you're going to learn to shoot a heavy caliber is to regularly shoot a heavy caliber.
He came back a few days later and decided the .300 was too much for him and that he shouldn't listen to much to the guys at work who were goading him into buying one.
The owner of the family owned retail store where I worked told me before he passed was that my .30-06 is more than adequate for elk. If you can't hit what you aim at a heavier caliber won't improve your accuracy and most hunters barely make it to the range year round.
The following article from the RMEF on long range elk hunts.
Just because you can shoot long, doesn't necessarily mean you should
Those who choose long-range marksmanship over real woodcraft forfeit the best of hunting: intimate encounters that make the heart gallop. Killing is a simple act, [...]
www.rmef.org
Which is why many hunters switch to bow hunting for the real thrill and excitement of getting with in 10 to 30 yards or even closer of that monster bull. Something you'll never experience at 600 yards.
Randy Newberg has his own thoughts about elk caliber.
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pig ranch deadeye
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One thing needs to be said. If you have a Three Hundred Win, or the Weatherby, and you load down, your brass will last a long, long time.
Harold Barrows
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One of my most accurate rifles is a factory 300WBY Vanguard in a wood stock. I have a variety of quality rifles ranging from full custom built to inexpensive and unique but my 300WBY is definitely a force to be reckoned with when it comes to accuracy. I just shoot it VERY well. Not saying that the other rifles I own aren't accurate but just saying for a factory produced rifle, I can rest assured that as long as I do my part the rifle will never disappoint! And it'll definitely blow an elk clean off its feet!
pig ranch deadeye
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Sounds nice with that wood stock. Is it walnut or laminated?
A WBY mark v with a walnut stock is about as sexy as it gets. As for a 300 anything, it becomes a ****ing contest. Most will fan boy whatever they have in the safe. Claiming superiority of one over the other is a personal choice. Just a guess....but I doubt anything shot with any of them would pick one over the other to be shot with.....just my opinion and not worth the time to read...lol
I think we would have to clearly define "better" or "good" with some quantifiable criteria laid out in order of priority before having that discussion. Different traits matter more depending on the specific purpose for the gun.
TexasSportsman
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I cannot argue with that. I have sold many a Mark V in the various Wby mag calibers. What we would do if we had more than one MKV in a caliber that the buyer wanted we would bring out all of them so he could choose between the best wood stock.
It was not uncommon for us to have four or five MKV rifles so the hunter can compare one over the other. The idea that you don't want to scratch a wood stock is not reason enough not to buy one. Every scratch or dent in a wood stock tells a great story that particular hunt.
Wood stocks on rifles have been around a lot longer than composite(plastic) stocks. The centuries that men hunted and defended themselves never had any problems feeding their families or keeping the villains away with a rifle that had a wood stock.
Right now one of the most popular wood stock rifles are the Browning Gold Medallion with the Maple stock. They are very popular they are hard to keep in stock.
I have a Browning X-Bolt with a walnut stock and I'm just as accurate with that as I am with the X-Bolt composite stalker. Nearly all of my rifles are wood stock. I got the composite stalker used a a very, very good price I couldn't pass it up.
