What do you think long range is?

[brentc]

Long range for me is when I consider the elements and say to myself "that's going to be a difficult shot." Even though I normally practice at 500+ I made two hits on a smallish brown bear from a drifting boat at 400 yards with a 375 Ruger. That felt like a long ways at a distance that's normally a chip shot.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

Interesting. What caliber and load?

Sorry to be slightly defensive but...

After recent threads where it seemed the goal was to attack and argue.... I did not say exactly 400 yards I said approaching or exceeding. So...

Using JBM Vital zone of 5", so smaller than minute of pie plate. Elevation of 75 ASL as that is where my range is. That way MOA or less is still within the kill zone.

These are 3. I have others I can make loads for that reach that point blank goal.

300 RUM, Cutting Edge C48 180grains, IMR7828 at 3330 fps. gun)Max point blank 411 yards
300 Wby, Cutting Edge C48 180grains, IMR7828SSC at 3150 fps. lightbulb Max point blank 390 yards
270 Wby, Barnes TTSX 95, IMR 7828SSC at 3668 fps. Max point blank 404 yards but this rifle is becoming a 338 Edge/Hart/338-300RUM.

Now if you are serious and weren't being flip to start an argument: I am keeping consistent in my approach to the use of monometal/copper bullets. Go lighter, go faster. They do suffer velocity/trajectory decay faster than jacketed bullets so, long range for me starts where compensating for that decay means multiple MOA hold over or turret twiddling. Max long range I am looking at for each caliber is one turret revolution, just me so I don't loose track.

Foot notes:
The point blank numbers are pretty close to the CEBS for TTSX 180s. Less than 10 yards shorter.
Unusual for me, the CEBs and TTSX are well withing book load ranges. More usual is to go closer to max due to pushing the COAL out longer than book.

 

[bowtechboss177]

I didn't say it was a far shot but I shot it with open sights on a 270. and it dropped in it's tracks.

 

[WildRose]

Sorry to be slightly defensive but...

After recent threads where it seemed the goal was to attack and argue.... I did not say exactly 400 yards I said approaching or exceeding. So...

Using JBM Vital zone of 5", so smaller than minute of pie plate. Elevation of 75 ASL as that is where my range is. That way MOA or less is still within the kill zone.

These are 3. I have others I can make loads for that reach that point blank goal.

300 RUM, Cutting Edge C48 180grains, IMR7828 at 3330 fps. gun)Max point blank 411 yards
300 Wby, Cutting Edge C48 180grains, IMR7828SSC at 3150 fps. lightbulb Max point blank 390 yards
270 Wby, Barnes TTSX 95, IMR 7828SSC at 3668 fps. Max point blank 404 yards but this rifle is becoming a 338 Edge/Hart/338-300RUM.

Now if you are serious and weren't being flip to start an argument: I am keeping consistent in my approach to the use of monometal/copper bullets. Go lighter, go faster. They do suffer velocity/trajectory decay faster than jacketed bullets so, long range for me starts where compensating for that decay means multiple MOA hold over or turret twiddling. Max long range I am looking at for each caliber is one turret revolution, just me so I don't loose track.

Foot notes:
The point blank numbers are pretty close to the CEBS for TTSX 180s. Less than 10 yards shorter.
Unusual for me, the CEBs and TTSX are well withing book load ranges. More usual is to go closer to max due to pushing the COAL out longer than book.

It's a "discussion forum", trying to start a discussion or further same does not equate to trying to start an argument.

Being a guy who's shot the 7mm STW for over 20 years along with shooting a number of others including the Rum you just got me thinking and it seemed worth of more discussion.

My carry rifles in the trucks I generally all keep zeroe'd for 350 for quick shots for that very reason. When you just have literally seconds to stop the truck get lined up and make a shot on a running coyote or other critter the flat shooting calibers make all the difference.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

It's a "discussion forum", trying to start a discussion or further same does not equate to trying to start an argument.

Being a guy who's shot the 7mm STW for over 20 years along with shooting a number of others including the Rum you just got me thinking and it seemed worth of more discussion.

My carry rifles in the trucks I generally all keep zeroe'd for 350 for quick shots for that very reason. When you just have literally seconds to stop the truck get lined up and make a shot on a running coyote or other critter the flat shooting calibers make all the difference.

Being in Copperfornia, I don't have a 'truck rifle' but..

yeah, I did use the point blank zero of ~350 and knowledge of the MPBrange on a predation control in a vineyard. Pigs move fast.

so, for what little I know, at this point I prefer the setup and knowledge of working from a 300yard to ~PBzero to MPB.

 

[WildRose]

Being in Copperfornia, I don't have a 'truck rifle' but..

yeah, I did use the point blank zero of ~350 and knowledge of the MPBrange on a predation control in a vineyard. Pigs move fast.

so, for what little I know, at this point I prefer the setup and knowledge of working from a 300yard to ~PBzero to MPB.

Add a mildot, TMR, or MP-8 type scope reticle and you can extend it quite a bit further without ever having to dial up.

Just do some testing with your drops using reticle for instant adjustments without ever having to dial a thing.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

Add a mildot, TMR, or MP-8 type scope reticle and you can extend it quite a bit further without ever having to dial up.

Just do some testing with your drops using reticle for instant adjustments without ever having to dial a thing.

That works for my intentions in depredation control where max range is within MPBrange.

For "hunting" I want to go beyond MPBrange where twiddling or hold over is required as well as wind reading.

I understand your point of using a ranging reticle.

BTW: I prefer MOA to MIL hash marks as all my turrets are in MOA, my SIII had the LRMOA reticle. Also, my brain is now to fixed on MOA as 1000 yard wind calls from my shooting buddies/spotters are in mph and MOA. My brain works on the wind mirage in MOA.

Now if I could just get my Cow Elk hunt booked.... well that's where my head is today. Between now and then is pigs, in-state deer and ducks with falcons.

 

[WildRose]

That works for my intentions in depredation control where max range is within MPBrange.

For "hunting" I want to go beyond MPBrange where twiddling or hold over is required as well as wind reading.

I understand your point of using a ranging reticle.

BTW: I prefer MOA to MIL hash marks as all my turrets are in MOA, my SIII had the LRMOA reticle. Also, my brain is now to fixed on MOA as 1000 yard wind calls from my shooting buddies/spotters are in mph and MOA. My brain works on the wind mirage in MOA.

Now if I could just get my Cow Elk hunt booked.... well that's where my head is today. Between now and then is pigs, in-state deer and ducks with falcons.

It's all what you get used to.

If you have a reticle with any kind of scale you can just use the holdover points instantly without fiddling and twidling if you know the approximate range.

On game animals I'm a hell of a lot more picky though but when it comes to predators and varmints I just want them dead.

If you ever get a chance look though an IOR with the MP-8 Reticle. It's my favorite reticle period and of course they have fantastic glass and features.

 

[machiavelli]

Wildrose I second that as regarding the IOR, I've had great results using the MP-8 reticle only using Holdover function out 800 yards.

 

[WildRose]

Wildrose I second that as regarding the IOR, I've had great results using the MP-8 reticle only using Holdover function out 800 yards.

It's the best reticle I've ever used. I buy IOR scopes literally just to get the reticle.

 

[BrentM]

My friend says he shot a buck from 200 yards and he thinks its long range.Tell me what you think.

To him it is AND that is OK in my opinion. Personally I think LR is the shooters opinion of what they can do consistently and accurately. LR should not be measured by someone elses ability and equipment.

 

[gohring3006]

I think long range is 400 and out because that's where I take in consideration the wind

 

[FEENIX]

I think long range is 400 and out because that's where I take in consideration the wind

+1 and as clearly noted in http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/new-long-range-130336/

 

[SidecarFlip]

"Long Range' also is dependent on geographical location. Here in Michigan, long range can be considered anything past 150 yards because thats all the tree's will let you go. Probably why smoke poles and handguns are popular hunting alternatives.

Entirely depends on where you are at really.