Gunbroker has them at times at gouges prices lolYes that's a shame, the 25gr bullet "Remington" was only made for the hand loader for a short time, I have the last 400 or so to a Canadian Army bubby a year ago, he passed away before ever using them, but his son is a reloader and shoots the .17 so they'll get used. You might keep checking around now and then someone has a box or two for sale on the web, as well as the Hornady and others... There is, in my opinion, a market for the .25gr bullet in the .17 cal community. I never did as well with the 20gr and 30gr bullets in the .17 Rem. Good Luck Cheers