What’s wrong with the SA 2020 Waypoint rifle?

[Dirtrax]

Did you really just try to add sales taxes to a price comparison? You pay sales taxes on the SA2020 also

A muzzle thread job is about $150 tops IF it's not included in the base metal work ( I usually use self-timing brakes so I'm not paying to turn to contour and time a brake. TT Diamond is only $319, the Special is $209 so look we saved $41 dollars right there on the $250 I budgeted, and yes I consider Cerekote (really all painting) to be BS. Straight stainless steel is the ultimate weather finish.

Maybe you can't leave your rifle in a salty tidal pool on the Alaska coast for 9 weeks, but in terms of being a fully functional and viable option.... yes, straight SS is just fine.

Has anyone ever, in the history of ever, lost an animal because of flash off their rifle's metal? Only on the internet....

If you have, a can of Krylon is like 9 bucks.

Calm down man. For staters, I don't have a 'smith, he has me. I'm not kidding myself about the relationship.
My point is simply why not shoot now and see if the expense of a full custom is going to provide (time and money) value? For many the answer is yes, for a whole lot more the answer is no.
My home built and off the shelf rifles rival my customs in practical terms.

 

[westexhunt]

I've put 15 rnds through it. Norma GT match ammo. It's already shooting. I do a version of barrel break in with screw on felt pellets Kroil and JB bore paste. I very rarely shoot groups. I like shooting steel so insight in and start shooting steel at various ranges and shooting positions. I did shoot 5 groups (rounds 10-15) on a bench through the waypoint. It was windy and I'm not a "group" shooter but this thing is going to work. I can assure you I pulled at least one of these.

 

[N.Scott Nail]

westexhunt. That's kinda how I've felt as well !! Care to share what caliber my friend? NSN/75w

 

[338weatherby]

I haven't spent much time with my waypoint. Only factory loads, shooting to get brass. Single shot was at 40 after bore sighting. Then three high and to the right. Then dialed for a 200 yard zero and shot three more. That was it. Seems like a shooter to me.

 

[N.Scott Nail]

Ok, again what caliber, just ask'n? Scott

 

[338weatherby]

Ok, again what caliber, just ask'n? Scott

If your asking me, 6CM with factory Hornady 108eldm's

 

[westexhunt]

westexhunt. That's kinda how I've felt as well !! Care to share what caliber my friend? NSN/75w

6.5 PRC

 

[RiceCakes307]

My good friend bought one for his wife to hunt with in 6.5CM. He put VX-5 3-15x44 on it. I've shot it on steel and shot a mule deer with it. It's a pretty sweet set up and joy to carry around. Wouldn't mind having one in 6CM one day.

 

[Beluebow]

I bought one for my 10yo grandson to hunt with in 6.5CM. Shoots plenty good enough for hunting out to 600. He banged steel from 100-700 before finally missing at 800 with factory 143ELDm's.

 

[N.Scott Nail]

Thank you westexhunt.....And 338weatherby both are fine choices. Scott

 

[ForgivenAll]

I have two Waypoints. I bought the 6.5PRC for a longer range hunting rifle and the 6.5CM for NRL Hunter. They're good looking, lightweight, and have great features but...

I want to love them but I just can't get them to shoot well.

With the PRC I can get several loads to print two holes touching and a third opens it up to +/- 1 inch. Didn't matter if it was 140 or 147 ELDMs or 140VLDs.

The Creedmoor is kinda doing the same thing. Maybe just a bit worse. I haven't tested as many loads with that one yet.

It has me questioning if my fundamentals are lacking and maybe I am just not driving these lightweight rifles properly. Although I have won a couple of the NRL Hunter matches in the factory division with my tack-driving Tikka (which is marginally heavier, but by no means am I shooting a 21 lb PRS match gun in 6 Dasher), I don't want to overlook the possibility of this being a loose nut behind the trigger situation. So, this weekend, I'm hoping to borrow a buddy's lead sled and try to isolate induced shooter error.

Looking for input and also letting you know that I will give you an update when I get a chance to shoot this rifle in a fixed apparatus.

 

[DoneNOut]

I have two Waypoints. I bought the 6.5PRC for a longer range hunting rifle and the 6.5CM for NRL Hunter. They're good looking, lightweight, and have great features but...

I want to love them but I just can't get them to shoot well.

With the PRC I can get several loads to print two holes touching and a third opens it up to +/- 1 inch. Didn't matter if it was 140 or 147 ELDMs or 140VLDs.

The Creedmoor is kinda doing the same thing. Maybe just a bit worse. I haven't tested as many loads with that one yet.

It has me questioning if my fundamentals are lacking and maybe I am just not driving these lightweight rifles properly. Although I have won a couple of the NRL Hunter matches in the factory division with my tack-driving Tikka (which is marginally heavier, but by no means am I shooting a 21 lb PRS match gun in 6 Dasher), I don't want to overlook the possibility of this being a loose nut behind the trigger situation. So, this weekend, I'm hoping to borrow a buddy's lead sled and try to isolate induced shooter error.

Looking for input and also letting you know that I will give you an update when I get a chance to shoot this rifle in a fixed apparatus.

Carbon fiber barrels? I've never heard CF barrels being accused of handling heat from successive shots very good.

I think the lead sled will input more error than a well heavy sand bagged set up front & rear.

 

[Flatbow]

I have two Waypoints. I bought the 6.5PRC for a longer range hunting rifle and the 6.5CM for NRL Hunter. They're good looking, lightweight, and have great features but...

I want to love them but I just can't get them to shoot well.

With the PRC I can get several loads to print two holes touching and a third opens it up to +/- 1 inch. Didn't matter if it was 140 or 147 ELDMs or 140VLDs.

The Creedmoor is kinda doing the same thing. Maybe just a bit worse. I haven't tested as many loads with that one yet.

It has me questioning if my fundamentals are lacking and maybe I am just not driving these lightweight rifles properly. Although I have won a couple of the NRL Hunter matches in the factory division with my tack-driving Tikka (which is marginally heavier, but by no means am I shooting a 21 lb PRS match gun in 6 Dasher), I don't want to overlook the possibility of this being a loose nut behind the trigger situation. So, this weekend, I'm hoping to borrow a buddy's lead sled and try to isolate induced shooter error.

Looking for input and also letting you know that I will give you an update when I get a chance to shoot this rifle in a fixed apparatus.

I don't believe that just three shots would create enough heat to cause too many isuses. However, I have been curious about the NEW process in witch they built that carbon barrel for the 20/20 and how it will work out.
I have been waiting for more possible first hand experiences on this before I give one a try.
Interested to see what you come up with.

 

[ForgivenAll]

I have two Waypoints. I bought the 6.5PRC for a longer range hunting rifle and the 6.5CM for NRL Hunter. They're good looking, lightweight, and have great features but...

I want to love them but I just can't get them to shoot well.

With the PRC I can get several loads to print two holes touching and a third opens it up to +/- 1 inch. Didn't matter if it was 140 or 147 ELDMs or 140VLDs.

The Creedmoor is kinda doing the same thing. Maybe just a bit worse. I haven't tested as many loads with that one yet.

It has me questioning if my fundamentals are lacking and maybe I am just not driving these lightweight rifles properly. Although I have won a couple of the NRL Hunter matches in the factory division with my tack-driving Tikka (which is marginally heavier, but by no means am I shooting a 21 lb PRS match gun in 6 Dasher), I don't want to overlook the possibility of this being a loose nut behind the trigger situation. So, this weekend, I'm hoping to borrow a buddy's lead sled and try to isolate induced shooter error.

Looking for input and also letting you know that I will give you an update when I get a chance to shoot this rifle in a fixed apparatus.

Well, I went out last weekend and ran a test on both rifles. Shot a few 3-shot and 5-shot groups, then used a Lead-Sled, and also had another accomplished PRS shooter shoot it.

Unfortunately, no significant difference between any of the above. See sample of a couple groups (target dots are 1").

I did, however, talk to Springfield Armory and they said they are happy to take a look at them. At this point, I'll take them up on it.