Tract Optics Toric UHD 30mm 4-20x50

[lancetkenyon]

FFP reticles cover the same amount of target at 3x or 15x. 5x or 25x.
If a reticle diameter stadia line covers up .125" (1/8") @ 100 yards, it does the same no matter what magnification it is on. But, as the yardage grows, so does the coverage of target. 200 yards now covers .250". 400 covers .500". 800 covers 1". 1600 yards, it covers 2". But, who can shoot the difference of 2" @ 1600yards? Or honestly, 1" @ 1000 yards? You can still hold "minute of prairie dog head" @ 1000 yards.

 

[mulie]

that is why you buy FFP with illuminated reticle it can be seen at low mag.

 

[antleredacres]

I own two of them. Love 'em. Never have a problem at low power although low power gets little use and they are illuminated.

 

[BOB 25]

I think there is a some what of a disconnect that we see. lots of people say FFP, FFP, go the tactical forums, its basically if its not FFP its crap. for me a FFP scope is freaking an expansive paper weight. What in the hell good is a reticle you can't see on low power. After watching things play out on the forums etc. I have come to the conclusion is nearly everyone is shooting their gun at the range, not in the field. They are using their scopes on medium to high power. FFP works for them. as a hunting scope you need to see the reticle on low power. FFP is a fail in a hunting scope.

 

[BOB 25]

I think there is a some what of a disconnect that we see. lots of people say FFP, FFP, go the tactical forums, its basically if its not FFP its crap. for me a FFP scope is freaking an expansive paper weight. What in the hell good is a reticle you can't see on low power. After watching things play out on the forums etc. I have come to the conclusion is nearly everyone is shooting their gun at the range, not in the field. They are using their scopes on medium to high power. FFP works for them. as a hunting scope you need to see the reticle on low power. FFP is a fail in a hunting scope.

cummings cowboy I can not agree more !!

 

[nksmfamjp]

cummings cowboy I can not agree more !!

Funny thing is, I cannot agree with him less. I'm fine if people want to buy what they want to buy for the reasons they want to buy it.

That said, FFP is quite usable and visible to me in all power ranges on my 3-15x Vortex Viper PST Gen 2. It looks about like this on MIN & MAX

 

[JungleShooter]

FFP is quite usable and visible to me in all power ranges.

Agreed.
I find I can easily see my crosshairs even with a 6-fold magnification on my 3-18x50 — IF the reticle has thick outside posts.
These guide the eyes easily to the intersection of the two crosshairs.
I would never buy an FFP scope for shooting scenarios that require quick target acquisition (hunting, PRS, etc.) unless it has the thick outside posts (leisurely target shooting is a different story).


Several times I have tried to talk myself into buying an SFP, and I dial most of shots anyway — but I just really like to measure with the reticle how much my previous shot was off.... (at any magnification, not just the one the reticle was calibrated).

Matthias

 

[Treeslug]

Funny thing is, I cannot agree with him less. I'm fine if people want to buy what they want to buy for the reasons they want to buy it.

That said, FFP is quite usable and visible to me in all power ranges on my 3-15x Vortex Viper PST Gen 2. It looks about like this on MIN & MAX

Funny thing is--I just got my first FFP scope and is it strange--to--me!!!

when I shoot at an animal, I like to try to pick out one hair to aim for and all these little lines distract me--for now. I am still working on it.

 

[WildRose]

Funny thing is--I just got my first FFP scope and is it strange--to--me!!!

when I shoot at an animal, I like to try to pick out one hair to aim for and all these little lines distract me--for now. I am still working on it.

If you are raised shooting SFP scopes they are really foreign. When your eyes get old you'll be wishing you'd stayed with SFP. HA!

 

[yobuck]

Your comment shines a helpful light on one of the challenges with FFP scopes (and yes, before you ask, I am one enthusiastic FFP user).

It's not that you can/should use "FFP for high magnifications" (LRH and LRT), and "SFP for low magnification scopes" (close range stalk and thicket).

The issue is not what the top magnification is — but what the magnification range is.

Because the scope manufacturers have to make reticles that are somewhat still visible at the bottom magnification — AND that are also not too large to cover up the target at the top magnification.



For example:
Say the magnification range is small, e.g., 3-fold on a 3-9x, or a 4-12x, or a 5-15x.
Now that won't be much of a problem. You'll still have pretty thick reticle lines at the bottom magnification, and nothing too thick at the top either.

BUT:
If the magnification range is large, this gets progessively more difficult to do, e.g.
5-fold: 3-15x, or 4-20x, or 5-25x
6-fold: 3-18x, or 4-24x, or 5-30x




Now, why would anybody in their right mind want such a large magnification range...?

➔ The answer lies in the type of shooting they do, and the type of budget they decide to have for their shooting hobby....
Because:
Specialist scopes on specialist guns for specialist shooting scenarios are great (and the amount of gun closets some of us need to justify to their significant others illustrates this).
But sometimes I might need a do-it-all scope on a do-it-all gun for a wide variety of shooting scenarios....


Just sayin'. And yes, last week I was looking at an SFP — so, I'm open to both options.

Matthias

For the record, the Balvar line of Bausch & Lomb scopes popular back in the 60 and 70s were FFP scopes.
Including the 6x24 power target model which was preferred by many long range hunters in places like PA. where that type of hunting was popular before moving on to other places. lol
I used one on my 30x378 for about 25 years before moving on to a Nightforce. Actually, for my use i didnt move on at all, and wish i still had the money in my pocket and the old B & L back on the gun.
As for the reticle, B & L solved that by using a tapered cross hair etched on a glass surface.
As for holdovers, thats when your spotter who is watching your shots thru large tripod mounted binnocs tells you that your shot went right in front of its nose. Hold on his *** and shoot again right now.
No need for any special type reticle, just a need for a good spotter using good glasses.

 

[SteelBanger]

Searching for reviews on the Toric 4-20x and found this thread and rather than information on the Toric I had to read through 4 pages of y'all arguing about FFP vs SFP. Hope the OP got the information he was looking for elsewhere, as for myself, I'll keep looking!

 

[Deleted member 48126]

Searching for reviews on the Toric 4-20x and found this thread and rather than information on the Toric I had to read through 4 pages of y'all arguing about FFP vs SFP. Hope the OP got the information he was looking for elsewhere, as for myself, I'll keep looking!

I am not going to lie...I honestly thought this was an FFP thread when I responded. I can't believe I missed the point of the thread. wow.