"To give truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation."
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Thread Hi-Jacking: Personal Assaults Becoming Norm?
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Yes but the question here is whether or not its ok to call them an idiot for their misinterpretation. That answer applies to all misinterpretations regardless of which truth they misinterpreted.
I just looked at my ignore list and looks like most of them have been banned (and it was like 5 people total).
Most of them were just for rudeness, one I remember was was for picking on some little girl arguing whether or not some miracle shot was exactly spot on. Like maybe she missed by an inch at 700 yards or something. None were for opinions with which I disagreed.
I think generally folks are on edge; we know things aren't right (80%+ feel country on wrong track), but no one is reversing course. Household budgets which were pretty comfortable 2 years ago are strapped for many, and for no good reason. Crime up, and if you live in the wrong place, criminals good, victims bad.
So, everyone is a bit more on edge, particularly those of us on groups like these: guns under attack, ammo & component shortages and high prices.
A good rule in business was if someone really angered you, write a letter in response, stick it in your desk drawer, and review it the next morning. Only now, there are no letters, no desk drawers, and no take-backs.
So, maybe, think a little before hitting the old post key.
And, we're talking about scopes, bullets, powders, and barrels here , so actually none of this stuff matters on an eternal scale, so we don't have to push our action, scope brand, etc., as if we were spreading the Good News of Jesus Christ. So we can discuss things without getting so all fired up about it.
May God be with us as a nation.
On a lighter note, 500 yards, .257 STW.
Most of them were just for rudeness, one I remember was was for picking on some little girl arguing whether or not some miracle shot was exactly spot on. Like maybe she missed by an inch at 700 yards or something. None were for opinions with which I disagreed.
I think generally folks are on edge; we know things aren't right (80%+ feel country on wrong track), but no one is reversing course. Household budgets which were pretty comfortable 2 years ago are strapped for many, and for no good reason. Crime up, and if you live in the wrong place, criminals good, victims bad.
So, everyone is a bit more on edge, particularly those of us on groups like these: guns under attack, ammo & component shortages and high prices.
A good rule in business was if someone really angered you, write a letter in response, stick it in your desk drawer, and review it the next morning. Only now, there are no letters, no desk drawers, and no take-backs.
So, maybe, think a little before hitting the old post key.
And, we're talking about scopes, bullets, powders, and barrels here , so actually none of this stuff matters on an eternal scale, so we don't have to push our action, scope brand, etc., as if we were spreading the Good News of Jesus Christ. So we can discuss things without getting so all fired up about it.
May God be with us as a nation.
On a lighter note, 500 yards, .257 STW.
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Poor widdle badger. You're so mean. You know you can sell the claws to pagans for jewelry. The hide is toast.
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FrogFire7
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I've only ignored a few people, and to be honest it was mostly for the way they spell things. (Grammer/lack of punctuation/too much punctuation, etc. Sometimes it is just too hard to read!)
PS- I hope that doesn't make me sound like a snob
. I just found myself getting frustrated trying to read some people's writing and figured it would be easier to not have to
PS- I hope that doesn't make me sound like a snob
. I just found myself getting frustrated trying to read some people's writing and figured it would be easier to not have to
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I is reely serprised u ain't eegnored me yet.
To clarify, I know how to type and speak correctly. I just really like to keep the predictive apple keyboard confused.
FrogFire7
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Oh trust me, I usually edit my posts about three times after posting, because I apparently can't learn to proof read before I post, and I almost inevitably mistype something in every post
I'm on the side of refraining from ignoring other members - as in using it as a weapon. Never have myself. It seems weak and a possible expression of manipulation and control - both of which I have a strong aversion to. (someone mentioned narcissism) And kind of fits into the whole cancel culture thing. But having said that, for those who don't want to wade through the muck or whose emotional composure is more vulnerable, (not intended as derogatory) maybe it's a way for them to protect themselves from their own proclivity to reactions or from overly negative online behavior from others. I won't criticize the feature or those who really need to use it. It's not my forum. But to publicly advertise you've ignored someone...?? Methinks that raises questions relevent to the burden of this thread.
And I'm glad unwanted posts in an OP's thread cannot be deleted by the OP. From what I've observed along the way, there are those who would abuse that privilege in a big way by advancing personal agenda with no checks. If there are postings that are offensive to the OP, there is a way in place to relate to it.
I've gotten into mud here that I've regretted in retrospect. It's hard for me to refrain from calling out BS when I see it. And there's a lot of it, naturally. I've learned there are some who are incapable of healthy dialogue when called out. Too often being held responsible for irresponsible behavior is labeled as a personal attack. I've tried doing it privately along the way. Most times it's beneficial. But some are not comfortable facing it man-to-man. They feel safer shooting up the place on public forum where they get backslapped and supported with "likes" and supporting posts by others.
That brings up the issue of "likes". I see posters on this thread engaging elsewhere in the same behavior they decry - either directly or by innuendo. And many others here who support it with their "likes". Sometimes we think we are looking out a window, not realizing the window is a mirror. We show our character not only by what we post, but by what we "like" - and don't "like". I didn't go back over all my history, but I'm sure if you were to do so, you'll find ill-advised tags from me somewhere. I want to be more mindful of the message they send, particularly when relating to posts more personal in nature. Integrity means we will evaluate and respond consistently with objections whether the offender be "friend or foe".
It's so easy to get on bandwagons or engage in pack behavior. We must guard against this. Neither is it mature to be offended or reactive to what other people are excited about just because we resent their enthusiasm about some component or subject. If you don't share the excitement, let it go. It often speaks to some personal issue (or worse) when we intentionally seek to undermine it. And for something to think about...when we react to what we think is excessive enthusiasm or over-popularity of a product, we just give it more screen time, and the cycle continues...
Keep in mind, that when someone reacts overly aggressively or self-righteously to being questioned or called out, it can be indicative of guilt. Where there is lack of transparency, questions remain. In my investigative frame of reference, those who scream and kick or get edgy when you get close to the truth are often the ones who will attempt to project their guilt onto others, play the victim card, or feign some kind of virtue (as in feeling compelled to make repeated claims to being something they are not). That's when you know you gotta "check their pockets".
Well, I gotta move on, but let me say this yet: I'm far from a perfect individual myself and will not pretend to be the ultimate standard upon which to measure others. "He's still workin on me to make me what I ought to be...", and I need all of you to be the "iron that sharpeneth iron" in my experience on this forum. The door is open to anyone to address my character and to question something you object to. As I said before, I'm here to benefit. That's not just in shooting/hunting, but in character too. I have already. Anyone with me in this?
And I'm glad unwanted posts in an OP's thread cannot be deleted by the OP. From what I've observed along the way, there are those who would abuse that privilege in a big way by advancing personal agenda with no checks. If there are postings that are offensive to the OP, there is a way in place to relate to it.
I've gotten into mud here that I've regretted in retrospect. It's hard for me to refrain from calling out BS when I see it. And there's a lot of it, naturally. I've learned there are some who are incapable of healthy dialogue when called out. Too often being held responsible for irresponsible behavior is labeled as a personal attack. I've tried doing it privately along the way. Most times it's beneficial. But some are not comfortable facing it man-to-man. They feel safer shooting up the place on public forum where they get backslapped and supported with "likes" and supporting posts by others.
That brings up the issue of "likes". I see posters on this thread engaging elsewhere in the same behavior they decry - either directly or by innuendo. And many others here who support it with their "likes". Sometimes we think we are looking out a window, not realizing the window is a mirror. We show our character not only by what we post, but by what we "like" - and don't "like". I didn't go back over all my history, but I'm sure if you were to do so, you'll find ill-advised tags from me somewhere. I want to be more mindful of the message they send, particularly when relating to posts more personal in nature. Integrity means we will evaluate and respond consistently with objections whether the offender be "friend or foe".
It's so easy to get on bandwagons or engage in pack behavior. We must guard against this. Neither is it mature to be offended or reactive to what other people are excited about just because we resent their enthusiasm about some component or subject. If you don't share the excitement, let it go. It often speaks to some personal issue (or worse) when we intentionally seek to undermine it. And for something to think about...when we react to what we think is excessive enthusiasm or over-popularity of a product, we just give it more screen time, and the cycle continues...
Keep in mind, that when someone reacts overly aggressively or self-righteously to being questioned or called out, it can be indicative of guilt. Where there is lack of transparency, questions remain. In my investigative frame of reference, those who scream and kick or get edgy when you get close to the truth are often the ones who will attempt to project their guilt onto others, play the victim card, or feign some kind of virtue (as in feeling compelled to make repeated claims to being something they are not). That's when you know you gotta "check their pockets".
Well, I gotta move on, but let me say this yet: I'm far from a perfect individual myself and will not pretend to be the ultimate standard upon which to measure others. "He's still workin on me to make me what I ought to be...", and I need all of you to be the "iron that sharpeneth iron" in my experience on this forum. The door is open to anyone to address my character and to question something you object to. As I said before, I'm here to benefit. That's not just in shooting/hunting, but in character too. I have already. Anyone with me in this?
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I'll check in with you after you spend 20 years in this industry on forums trying to help people in this discipline improve, only to be attacked on a daily basis by the loudest and most obnoxious of the bunch every single day. They live in a suburb and drive an hour to a square range maybe once a month to get some rounds down range... but they know just as much as someone that spends over 15,000rnds a year and shoots nearly every single day. Just ask them, they'll tell you!
I used to feel exactly as you feel about the ignore feature. I never used it a single time in 20 years... until this year. There comes a point when you are no longer willing to sacrifice the peace of the Lord for people that aren't for you, and no matter what you say or how you say it, will never be for you.
Weak? Maybe you'd prefer I go to war with those shameless unprincipled Godless anonymous trolls on the forums every single day as I've done for the past 20 years? Oh wait, then it would be back to getting yelled at for not backing down like a good little drone. If you don't leave them alone when they voice their inexperienced opinions... they will literally band together like a tribe of cannibals and stalk you from forum to forum every day. They demand behavior from you, which they can't be troubled to execute themselves. They are like liberals. If you give in at all, they use your apology as an admission of guilt. There can be no peace with them.
Every time I threaten to leave, I'm begged to stay by people that want what I have to offer. The constant bickering that goes on here and every other forum every day lines the pockets of the forum owners, because page views = ad views... and the constant 30-page argument threads are big money. Not that Len cares about the money, because I don't think he does... but what I'm saying here is that I certainly am not going to proposition him to get rid of the troublemakers. Their presence and the turmoil they create is great revenue, and many forums have taken to hiring trolls to stir the pot and create discourse specifically for this reason. You people think they aren't getting banned by accident?
Len deserves big money for putting up with this trash. I sincerely doubt Len is hiring trolls... but I know for a fact other popular forums are. They can turn a 1 page thread into a 40 page thread... and many of you eat it up like starving rabid dogs.
So, given all available options... what you call weak, those of us that have been doing this for any length of time... call our final option so that we can still be present to provide quality information to those that seek it, but not have to deal with the inexperienced uninformed loud mouths that anonymously prop their manufactured false personalities up by trying to rip everyone else down on here, day after day. I could take the route so many others take, and just not care... but I do care. That's just who I am. I care deeply that people get the best experience-based info I can give them.
So yeah, I'll go ahead and continue to be "weak" and every single time I read a post where someone is letting their ridiculous ego try to mask their total lack of experience... on the ignore list they will go. I currently have roughly 0.06% of people on this forum on ignore. Less than a tenth of one percent of people here, are creating nearly ALL of the problems. Not dealing with them is wonderful. It turns this forum from a hostile loath some affair, into a fun, kind, and happy experience.
My only wish is that everyone that I put on my ignore list, would be unable to see anything I post... so that they can not benefit in any way from my presence, and my presence would not give them any fuel for their fractured and unhealed egos to consume. It isn't as if they will put ME on ignore. lol They NEED the arguments in order to feel normal. We've got some give-aways that will be taking place soon and it will require posting in my thread to participate, and no one on my ignore list will even be seen... so that will be fun!
Yeah Orkan, I think as a vendor you have a different level of exposure. You're on a whole nother level from me on here. Certainly wasn't intending to label anyone either. Maybe I sounded self-righteous. Hope that clarifies.I'll check in with you after you spend 20 years in this industry on forums trying to help people in this discipline improve, only to be attacked on a daily basis by the loudest and most obnoxious of the bunch every single day. They live in a suburb and drive an hour to a square range maybe once a month to get some rounds down range... but they know just as much as someone that spends over 15,000rnds a year and shoots nearly every single day. Just ask them, they'll tell you!
I used to feel exactly as you feel about the ignore feature. I never used it a single time in 20 years... until this year. There comes a point when you are no longer willing to sacrifice the peace of the Lord for people that aren't for you, and no matter what you say or how you say it, will never be for you.
Weak? Maybe you'd prefer I go to war with those shameless unprincipled Godless anonymous trolls on the forums every single day as I've done for the past 20 years? Oh wait, then it would be back to getting yelled at for not backing down like a good little drone. If you don't leave them alone when they voice their inexperienced opinions... they will literally band together like a tribe of cannibals and stalk you from forum to forum every day. They demand behavior from you, which they can't be troubled to execute themselves. They are like liberals. If you give in at all, they use your apology as an admission of guilt. There can be no peace with them.
Every time I threaten to leave, I'm begged to stay by people that want what I have to offer. The constant bickering that goes on here and every other forum every day lines the pockets of the forum owners, because page views = ad views... and the constant 30-page argument threads are big money. Not that Len cares about the money, because I don't think he does... but what I'm saying here is that I certainly am not going to proposition him to get rid of the troublemakers. Their presence and the turmoil they create is great revenue, and many forums have taken to hiring trolls to stir the pot and create discourse specifically for this reason. You people think they aren't getting banned by accident?
Len deserves big money for putting up with this trash. I sincerely doubt Len is hiring trolls... but I know for a fact other popular forums are. They can turn a 1 page thread into a 40 page thread... and many of you eat it up like starving rabid dogs.
So, given all available options... what you call weak, those of us that have been doing this for any length of time... call our final option so that we can still be present to provide quality information to those that seek it, but not have to deal with the inexperienced uninformed loud mouths that anonymously prop their manufactured false personalities up by trying to rip everyone else down on here, day after day. I could take the route so many others take, and just not care... but I do care. That's just who I am. I care deeply that people get the best experience-based info I can give them.
So yeah, I'll go ahead and continue to be "weak" and every single time I read a post where someone is letting their ridiculous ego try to mask their total lack of experience... on the ignore list they will go. I currently have roughly 0.06% of people on this forum on ignore. Less than a tenth of one percent of people here, are creating nearly ALL of the problems. Not dealing with them is wonderful. It turns this forum from a hostile loath some affair, into a fun, kind, and happy experience.
My only wish is that everyone that I put on my ignore list, would be unable to see anything I post... so that they can not benefit in any way from my presence, and my presence would not give them any fuel for their fractured and unhealed egos to consume. It isn't as if they will put ME on ignore. lol They NEED the arguments in order to feel normal. We've got some give-aways that will be taking place soon and it will require posting in my thread to participate, and no one on my ignore list will even be seen... so that will be fun!
Myself, I'm all for use of the ignore feature on a forum. It's merely a setting that allows one to more-easily skip over a seemingly offensive poster's remarks. It can be called whatever folks want, but for people looking to not see a certain poster's content it can be a useful feature.
Have used it, occasionally, on a handful of forums over the past 20+ years. It's funny (or sad), how frequently accounts I've placed on my ignore list end up getting banned by the management.
I'm all for accepting a wide range of views and perspectives. I won't listen to abuse, incivility, threats or unjustifiable whining. Such people can have at it, within the tolerance of management. But I won't participate with it, even to the point of listening to (reading) it. Works well enough.
I'm on a highly-active forum, elsewhere (different topical content), and I've got countless dozens. But there are tens of thousands of actively-posting members on that forum. And, as with any group, there'll be a few who chafe. Over the years, the ignore feature has made that forum tolerable. Without, there's simply too much sniping and nastiness (from a few hundred such members) to make it worthwhile.
We should be glad the feature exists, on most forums. As with the "report" feature (to notify management), it can be useful.
Thanks for the balancing view.
I have nowhere near your forum experience and get what you're saying. It doesn't sound like you abuse the feature. Someone wiser than me put it there. It's the abuse I'm speaking to - as in used as a weapon. I made some edits to my post to clarify.
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