And actual availability. Announcing is not the same as available to buy.
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Thoughts on New Federal 7mm Back Country
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Rocketeer77
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Unable to reload this one seems to be the most pertinent fact that we're dealing with here. I didn't think my tongue in check comment was "absolutely terrible" that's like the perpetually outraged Democratic Party member who's always taking offence when none's given.
Wachsmann
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Probably already started but Seekins is going to this for all there actions and savage is building some. I think you have to buy a gun that is made for this type of ammo or a receiver and then barrel it up. I don't think all the actions already out there are spec out like this.
Buzzsaw
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Factory loads are so good these days, there is no need to reload unless you just want too. Even the Remington Tipped Coreloks shoot great in most rifles.
so,
if you're NOT an avid reloader, the 7mm BC will be a great choice for you in a "do all" round.
I'm almost 73 and have been an avid reloader for most of those. now, not so much, call it lazy but it just doesn't git me goin anymore
so,
if you're NOT an avid reloader, the 7mm BC will be a great choice for you in a "do all" round.
I'm almost 73 and have been an avid reloader for most of those. now, not so much, call it lazy but it just doesn't git me goin anymore
I have a new AnTi Custom 22" threaded 5/8-24 28 Nosler all set to go listed here. Weighs just 6lbs. https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/custom-28-nosler-defiance-anti-proof.372317/
AussieWriter
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Dissagree
The main benefit of hand loading is to tailor a load to your rifle and the game hunted.
Factoty ammunition is a compromise which seldom can't be improved upon.
The second benefit of handloading is cost per round reduction, permitting increased usage for range practice and load tuning.
It has already been published that even RCBS is having trouble reloading this case with sizing taking up to a dozen attempts and the cases cannot be annealed reducing lifespan further.
This cartridge is illconceived and illprepared for release. If it becomes a single fire one and done proposition, it is DOA. Its only chance of viability would be Walmart availability at Walmart pricing.
The military can pay that with tax payer dollars but the rifleman wil not.
Buzzsaw
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disagree
Cost is a non-issue. if you're into all this stuff, we really don't care about saving a few cents a round. We spend thousands on our rifles and related stuff, we surely don't care about how much we spend per round.Now, if you are an anal person who wants to waste countless quantities of powder, bullets, primers, brass, etc. running ladder tests, cranking a barrel tuner, chasing that last 10th of an inch tighter group, then you just need counseling. It's okay, I've been there too. Like I stated, I'm old and in my hunting rifles, .5moa-.75 moa groups are fine for my hunting needs.
This is a hunting forum, not a benchrest forum.
Most premium factory offerings still allow you to tailor your bullet choice to the game hunted or paper to be shot, or hunk of steel to be pinged.
It's kind of a tie I guess and it's the choice of the shooter which rabbit hole they want to go down.
This is only this old phuks opinion YMMV
AussieWriter
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"Cost is a non issue"disagree
Now, if you are an anal person who wants to waste countless quantities of powder, bullets, primers, brass, etc. running ladder tests, cranking a barrel tuner, chasing that last 10th of an inch tighter group, then you just need counseling. It's okay, I've been there too. Like I stated, I'm old and in my hunting rifles, .5moa-.75 moa groups are fine for my hunting needs.
This is a hunting forum, not a benchrest forum.
Most premium factory offerings still allow you to tailor your bullet choice to the game hunted or paper to be shot, or hunk of steel to be pinged.
It's kind of a tie I guess and it's the choice of the shooter which rabbit hole they want to go down.
This is only this old phuks opinion YMMV
Really? We are considering the potential success or otherwise of a new non available cartridge. That's an incredible statement and one not supported within any definition of viability when associated with rifles and cartridges. Shrewed tactic.
Viability is dependent upon mass acceptance. This one has no rifles or ammunition available to the public at release. It's already dead.
comfisherman
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The biggest argument more than 15 years ago for the 6.5 creedmore was quality ammo at a reasonable price for the non hand loader crowd. Heck that's been one of the better arguments for much of the prc line as well.
Historically open use of reamers and good brass have been key indicators of success. But the demographic buying is changing. Of my parents demographic I'd say near 90 % of the volume shooters (I'd put long range skills in the mandatory volume shooting to maintain skills). Mine is under 50%, would be less if they could get over the counter ammo. In the last few months several of my peers have bought a rifle, found an ammo that works and then picked up enough of that ammo to last the barrel.
Combination of hard demographic changes combined with a radical increase in component cost and a heavier focus on better ammo. Remains to be seen if federal can pull better ammo off.... but hornady has proven its possible.
It's an extensive list of rifles available, in my social circle it's already been picked up more than the last three prc cartridges combined.... so slightly less doa than you'd think.
Historically open use of reamers and good brass have been key indicators of success. But the demographic buying is changing. Of my parents demographic I'd say near 90 % of the volume shooters (I'd put long range skills in the mandatory volume shooting to maintain skills). Mine is under 50%, would be less if they could get over the counter ammo. In the last few months several of my peers have bought a rifle, found an ammo that works and then picked up enough of that ammo to last the barrel.
Combination of hard demographic changes combined with a radical increase in component cost and a heavier focus on better ammo. Remains to be seen if federal can pull better ammo off.... but hornady has proven its possible.
It's an extensive list of rifles available, in my social circle it's already been picked up more than the last three prc cartridges combined.... so slightly less doa than you'd think.
AussieWriter
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Add to the key indicators being die sales.
Thinking on this more, I cannot recall any cartridge that survived on factory ammunition alone.
We only have known facts to go on and then apply them to ourselves. In my younger days, meaning half currebt age, i shot about 60% range to 40% game shooting over the life of a barrel.
These days, game usage is under 10% due to tag limits and hunting seasons and the lack of feral disposal in the US.
Range shooting is active critique on yourself and your equipment and your ammunition. If the average person is taking under a dozen animals a year with a single rifle, then volume range shooting is the primary usage.
That is inadequate volume to assure success for any cartridge because if you regularly use a range, you will know that most patrons let off a magazine or so before a hunting season and leave.
One of my local ranges, which incidently is the best set up, cleanest and most orderly I have ever used, commonly has 3 or less patrons and I have been there by myself on many occasions so range usage in terms of volume shot, will not carry a cartridge to viability.
The 7mm BC is the epitome of "look at the shiny object over here". It may peform well but competition is fierce, with long standing viable options to both handloader and factory round user. Kind of like releasing a .280 when the .270 already has a foothold and wide global public acceptance.
I seem to be the only person saying it, but DOA is the only answer that makes sence.
Thinking on this more, I cannot recall any cartridge that survived on factory ammunition alone.
We only have known facts to go on and then apply them to ourselves. In my younger days, meaning half currebt age, i shot about 60% range to 40% game shooting over the life of a barrel.
These days, game usage is under 10% due to tag limits and hunting seasons and the lack of feral disposal in the US.
Range shooting is active critique on yourself and your equipment and your ammunition. If the average person is taking under a dozen animals a year with a single rifle, then volume range shooting is the primary usage.
That is inadequate volume to assure success for any cartridge because if you regularly use a range, you will know that most patrons let off a magazine or so before a hunting season and leave.
One of my local ranges, which incidently is the best set up, cleanest and most orderly I have ever used, commonly has 3 or less patrons and I have been there by myself on many occasions so range usage in terms of volume shot, will not carry a cartridge to viability.
The 7mm BC is the epitome of "look at the shiny object over here". It may peform well but competition is fierce, with long standing viable options to both handloader and factory round user. Kind of like releasing a .280 when the .270 already has a foothold and wide global public acceptance.
I seem to be the only person saying it, but DOA is the only answer that makes sence.
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pavementends
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The listed federal loads for the 7BC are all good bullets. Looks like over the counter ammunition will meet most needs.
AussieWriter
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Except they are not available in stores and will cost twice a 7mm Remington from Walmart if and when they arrive.
comfisherman
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Doesn't have to compete with wal mart 7 mag, has to compete with on the shelf 7 prc and 28 nosler. Nobody I know is buying a 7 bc for a primary rifle, all are getting one to replace their kimber ascent/barret fieldcraft type rifles. All will use them for supressor hosts on rifles setup for the 3 to 600 yard type hunting (goats, sheep, and other alpine animals). Ammo appears to be near 3 bucks a round, these days that's not horrible. It may not become the standard but it's far from doa.
